Good try Saucony , Brooks and adidas . Just not there yet .
Good try Saucony , Brooks and adidas . Just not there yet .
you got lab data to back that up I assume?
WFH F-you wrote:
Good try Saucony , Brooks and adidas . Just not there yet .
Don't put spaces in front of periods and commas.
https://d2779tscntxxsw.cloudfront.net/mzEp5DenDXM00m3WXrRQ6AjM7Gmk8Jk6.jpgWFH F-you wrote:
Good try Saucony , Brooks and adidas . Just not there yet .
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.UFRGH5maTweo9uAzH5VK4QHaNK?pid=Api&rs=1WFH F-you wrote:
Good try Saucony , Brooks and adidas . Just not there yet .
skeptic0 wrote:
you got lab data to back that up I assume?
Data is based on real life experiences .
kek
ah, so like the shoes worn by the athletes who qualified for the US Olympic marathon team?
skeptic0 wrote:
ah, so like the shoes worn by the athletes who qualified for the US Olympic marathon team?
Olympics have 205 Countries . 80% of prequalified marathoners wear Nike . Nike seeks out the best of the best , Tiger Woods ... Sharapova the Williams sisters .
JUST like the speedo shark suits, these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal. As a hobby jogger I can clearly see that part of their role is to make ALL running shoes more expensive. Running REALLY doesn't need to become another world like cycling.
WhyRegisterHere? wrote:
JUST like the speedo shark suits, these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal. As a hobby jogger I can clearly see that part of their role is to make ALL running shoes more expensive. Running REALLY doesn't need to become another world like cycling.
As a former cyclist, I wholeheartedly agree.
It's way too late to make them illegal. The cat is out of the bag and nearly everyone has them, this is the new standard for racing flats.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/04/21/PPHX/5b9f9cfe-d4d4-4a8c-bd6b-db97b2022680-Aliphine_Tuliamuk_trials_photo.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webpWFH F-you wrote:
skeptic0 wrote:
ah, so like the shoes worn by the athletes who qualified for the US Olympic marathon team?
Olympics have 205 Countries . 80% of prequalified marathoners wear Nike . Nike seeks out the best of the best , Tiger Woods ... Sharapova the Williams sisters .
WFH F-you wrote:
skeptic0 wrote:
ah, so like the shoes worn by the athletes who qualified for the US Olympic marathon team?
Olympics have 205 Countries . 80% of prequalified marathoners wear Nike . Nike seeks out the best of the best , Tiger Woods ... Sharapova the Williams sisters .
Don't forget Lance Dopestrong. All great performers. All low integrity and morality.
Dane-0-rama wrote:
WFH F-you wrote:
Olympics have 205 Countries . 80% of prequalified marathoners wear Nike . Nike seeks out the best of the best , Tiger Woods ... Sharapova the Williams sisters .
Don't forget Lance Dopestrong. All great performers. All low integrity and morality.
Also don't forget Aldopeo Salazar and his little team in Nike town...
Just Another wrote:
WhyRegisterHere? wrote:
JUST like the speedo shark suits, these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal. As a hobby jogger I can clearly see that part of their role is to make ALL running shoes more expensive. Running REALLY doesn't need to become another world like cycling.
As a former cyclist, I wholeheartedly agree.
That's cool - I agree with banning shoes with "springs" in them too. Big problem you have is that "these shoes" doesn't apply to anything Nike have done because quite simply they don't have springs in them. They have a curved plate - carbon fiber to make it super stiff and light, with a drop of 10mm and it's resistance to bending (the opposite of what a spring fundamentally needs to do to work) being the key physiological/performance features of this plate. It's not a spring - go do some research on springs, what they are and how they perform, and then ask yourself how a mildly curved plate, with the bending a human foot puts on it during footstrike, acts like a spring. Because it doesn't. Sorry bro.
So your main concern must then lie with the "magical" zoom X foam? Well no foam has enough inherent ability to generate enough force to actively "push" or "propel" a human of almost any mass - let alone ones that begin (let's say for arguments sake) at 100lbs. No foam (as close as we have to a spring) is perfectly efficient - most lose between 20-30% of the net force applied to them.
Quick question - were you equally up in arms when EVA replaced PU as the main cushioning/"spring" material in shoes back in 1975 by Brooks? Were you pissed when adidas introduced formed TPU pellet foam back in 2012 that was a 8% more efficient "spring" than EVA? In fact if you want to get factual, that jump was far greater than what we have seen with Zoom X - thats main benefit is actually it's compliancy (how much it compresses into that 10mm drop I mentioned earlier) and not it's resiliency (energy "return").
Yeah you see how easy it is for people who know what they are talking about to deal with people like you who make idiotic and fact-devoid comments like "these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal". It's actually incredibly easy my friend.
Have a good one.
WhyRegisterHere? wrote:
JUST like the speedo shark suits, these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal. As a hobby jogger I can clearly see that part of their role is to make ALL running shoes more expensive. Running REALLY doesn't need to become another world like cycling.
The Speedo Shark suit should never have been banned . Performance engineers found a a production method of putting a texture on the fabric , that is more efficient moving through the water than human skin . Never reward manufacturers who do nothing and don't invest in innovation . Like Brooks , who are still trying to sell shoes from the 1990's with different colours .
WhyRegisterHere? wrote:
JUST like the speedo shark suits, these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal. As a hobby jogger I can clearly see that part of their role is to make ALL running shoes more expensive. Running REALLY doesn't need to become another world like cycling.
Utter nonsense. Go get some Nike zoom flys. They have a carbon fiber plate and are about as slow as a "racing shoe" can get. The secret is the foam.
I have a pair of Hoka Carbon X and there is no benefit to the carbon plate that I can discern. Nothing is close to the Vaporfly and the Vaporfly next.
bladerunner wrote:
WhyRegisterHere? wrote:
JUST like the speedo shark suits, these shoes with carbon fiber 'springs' need to be ruled illegal. As a hobby jogger I can clearly see that part of their role is to make ALL running shoes more expensive. Running REALLY doesn't need to become another world like cycling.
Utter nonsense. Go get some Nike zoom flys. They have a carbon fiber plate and are about as slow as a "racing shoe" can get. The secret is the foam.
I have a pair of Hoka Carbon X and there is no benefit to the carbon plate that I can discern. Nothing is close to the Vaporfly and the Vaporfly next.
Zoom Flys are pretty good shoes that do pretty well on the running economy lab tests.
Hokas versions use a flat plate which is not as good as the ones used by Zoom Fly and Vaporflys.
skeptic0 wrote:
ah, so like the shoes worn by the athletes who qualified for the US Olympic marathon team?
Riley literally put off signing with a company so he could race in the Next%. Now he’s an Olympian.
4/6 qualifiers were wearing Nike technology. Hard to deny that Nike is currently the gold standard.