In other sports, coaches are important for planning in the game and all sorts of other things. In running, coaches just tell you what training to do. Such training can be done by the athlete themselves without a coach. So, are coaches pointless in running?
No David
You’re on the wrong message board to be posting these kinds of takes.
Are some people not needed to post here?
What is wrong with my question?
Coaches are pointless to athletes who cannot make use of their feedback.
Any one can make a decent training plan by reading well-known books.
What a good coach does is to look at how an athlete responds to the training and make micro-adjustment accordingly.
So if the athlete does not listen to the coach's feedback, then a coach is indeed useless.
How would you know what a coaches job is?
You've self admitted you've never played sports.
I'll answer, you don't know. So instead of coming in with an opinion, try an open mind.
Not many coaches will train someone who hates gay peoples as much as you do.
DavidsNo2 fan wrote:
Not many coaches will train someone who hates gay peoples as much as you do.
How is that relevant? Besides, plenty of people in high school make fun of gays. That is just high school.
Swim Bike Run wrote:
How would you know what a coaches job is?
You've self admitted you've never played sports.
I'll answer, you don't know. So instead of coming in with an opinion, try an open mind.
I did high school XC summer training.
david45 wrote:
DavidsNo2 fan wrote:
Not many coaches will train someone who hates gay peoples as much as you do.
How is that relevant? Besides, plenty of people in high school make fun of gays. That is just high school.
I’m just enjoying you defending hating gay people. You’re gonna have a hard time when you get out of your moms basement and find out there’s tons of gays and blacks in the world. How are you going to cope? It’s amazing you made it into your 40’s with such a negative attitude.
This is the perspective from someone who has trained themselves to two OT's.
No one knows how to train themselves from day 1. This should be obvious. I learned a lot from my high school and college coaches and continued my running education from other athletes and coaches post collegiately. I absolutely would not have been able to effectively coach myself post collegiately without the experience gained from my prior coaches over almost a decade.
I think even now I would benefit from the right coach. Even if it was just at times getting a second perspective or telling me to slow down when I'm pushing to hard. However with my mix of running and work I haven't found a coaching situation I would want and would rather just consult with those I trust when I feel I need it. I also feel the gain to me would not be worth it. If I was a 2:10 guy and the right coach could make a 1 or 2 minute difference and potentially be the difference in making an Olympic team I would have a different perspective. But just moving up a notch on the sub elite ladder I have a different perspective.
david45 wrote:
In other sports, coaches are important for planning in the game and all sorts of other things. In running, coaches just tell you what training to do. Such training can be done by the athlete themselves without a coach. So, are coaches pointless in running?
Absolutely. I've been fortunate enough to send two or three athletes on to run in college every season, but they could have just watched You Tube videos and done it on their own.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
This is the perspective from someone who has trained themselves to two OT's.
No one knows how to train themselves from day 1. This should be obvious. I learned a lot from my high school and college coaches and continued my running education from other athletes and coaches post collegiately. I absolutely would not have been able to effectively coach myself post collegiately without the experience gained from my prior coaches over almost a decade.
I think even now I would benefit from the right coach. Even if it was just at times getting a second perspective or telling me to slow down when I'm pushing to hard. However with my mix of running and work I haven't found a coaching situation I would want and would rather just consult with those I trust when I feel I need it. I also feel the gain to me would not be worth it. If I was a 2:10 guy and the right coach could make a 1 or 2 minute difference and potentially be the difference in making an Olympic team I would have a different perspective. But just moving up a notch on the sub elite ladder I have a different perspective.
Agree. I think many people who consider themselves students of the sport could adequately coach themselves to great performances. The guys in the mid to late 20th century are awesome examples of this. But I also think, 100% of the time, a really good coaching setup and just a general team of individuals one trusts will always boost performance. Having a second or third brain to go over things is absolutely invaluable. It just goes to show that running training isn't so black and white as reading Daniels and just doing that -- it's much more nuanced, and when there is a team focused on deconstructing that nuance with each individual athlete, the result will always be better.
DavidsNo2 fan wrote:
david45 wrote:
How is that relevant? Besides, plenty of people in high school make fun of gays. That is just high school.
I’m just enjoying you defending hating gay people. You’re gonna have a hard time when you get out of your moms basement and find out there’s tons of gays and blacks in the world. How are you going to cope? It’s amazing you made it into your 40’s with such a negative attitude.
Why do you keep assuming I am in the 40s? I just picked 45 in my username because "david" is already taken and 45 is a nice number. Trump is the 45th president and 45 is half of a 90 degree angle.
david45 wrote:
DavidsNo2 fan wrote:
I’m just enjoying you defending hating gay people. You’re gonna have a hard time when you get out of your moms basement and find out there’s tons of gays and blacks in the world. How are you going to cope? It’s amazing you made it into your 40’s with such a negative attitude.
Why do you keep assuming I am in the 40s? I just picked 45 in my username because "david" is already taken and 45 is a nice number. Trump is the 45th president and 45 is half of a 90 degree angle.
Whatever you say grandpa.
That’s cool david
david45 wrote:
DavidsNo2 fan wrote:
Not many coaches will train someone who hates gay peoples as much as you do.
How is that relevant? Besides, plenty of people in high school make fun of gays. That is just high school.
So you are saying that you are OK with people here making fun of you, as that is just Letsrun.
Cool. So go run your 12 minute mile, slugman.
david45 wrote:
DavidsNo2 fan wrote:
I’m just enjoying you defending hating gay people. You’re gonna have a hard time when you get out of your moms basement and find out there’s tons of gays and blacks in the world. How are you going to cope? It’s amazing you made it into your 40’s with such a negative attitude.
Why do you keep assuming I am in the 40s? I just picked 45 in my username because "david" is already taken and 45 is a nice number. Trump is the 45th president and 45 is half of a 90 degree angle.
Well, hell! I figured it was your 5k time.
david45 wrote:
Swim Bike Run wrote:
How would you know what a coaches job is?
You've self admitted you've never played sports.
I'll answer, you don't know. So instead of coming in with an opinion, try an open mind.
I did high school XC summer training.
* for three weeks.
* of optional training.
* that was written by a coach.
Again. Shut up.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these