Paying college athletes is the most stupid idea I ever heard

Swim Bike Run wrote:

David, most did NOT run sub 5 in middle school.

They are BSing you because you believe it. People BS each other all the time. With our teenagers, one might hit a 400lb deadlift, which is strong and the next day another one comes in and goes "I heard Johnny deadlifted 500lbs yesterday"

No. He didn't, he hit 400 and that's damn good.

People exaggerate. it's even easier to do on the internet.

You don't know that for sure

Swim Bike Run wrote:

David, most did NOT run sub 5 in middle school.

They are BSing you because you believe it. People BS each other all the time. With our teenagers, one might hit a 400lb deadlift, which is strong and the next day another one comes in and goes "I heard Johnny deadlifted 500lbs yesterday"

No. He didn't, he hit 400 and that's damn good.

People exaggerate. it's even easier to do on the internet.

Don't most D1 runners already broke 5 in middle school?

david45 wrote:

Swim Bike Run wrote:

David, most did NOT run sub 5 in middle school.

They are BSing you because you believe it. People BS each other all the time. With our teenagers, one might hit a 400lb deadlift, which is strong and the next day another one comes in and goes "I heard Johnny deadlifted 500lbs yesterday"

No. He didn't, he hit 400 and that's damn good.

People exaggerate. it's even easier to do on the internet.

Don't most D1 runners already broke 5 in middle school?

I walked on at a small DI program and didn’t break 5 minutes until my junior year of high school.

But this conversation topic has totally derailed the thread, as it always does.

Very Simple Solution wrote:

david45 wrote:

Don't most D1 runners already broke 5 in middle school?

I walked on at a small DI program and didn’t break 5 minutes until my junior year of high school.

But this conversation topic has totally derailed the thread, as it always does.

Someone else started the conversation about breaking 5 in middle school

Star wrote:

Then exactly who should get the billions of dollars they produce?

Disney

david45 wrote:

Very Simple Solution wrote:

I walked on at a small DI program and didn’t break 5 minutes until my junior year of high school.

But this conversation topic has totally derailed the thread, as it always does.

Someone else started the conversation about breaking 5 in middle school

No, you did right here:

david45 wrote:

business wrote:

And he is gone, off to create another post about untalented runners suffering at the hands of those with any semblance of skill or privilege

I just can't accept the fact that most people here ran a sub 5 minute mile in middle school. That is mind-blowing to me.

Only in the revenue sports does this come up. I think Bill Walton talked about this about 40 years ago. Walton was stating how much money U.C.L.A. made off of him and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

The solution is not to pay college athletes. There are very rare college athletes who fit the Jabbar & Walton profile. The solution is to allow American football and basketball players to go pro as soon as their skills match the need of pro teams.

There are only a select few dozen careers that require a BA/BS. Since professional basketball and professional American football do not have a BA/BS requirement, it is against labor laws for two pro sports to mandate one year in college or age 19 or three years of college or age 20. It is blatant age discrimination.

The wrong person took the case to U.S. Supreme Court, Maurice Clarett.

david45 wrote:

business wrote:

? I thought you were serious until this point

How was I not serious? College sports should remain non-profit

There are a lot of people that would disagree with you because they work for the NCAA in some capacity. Football and Men's Basketball and the NCAA are professional sports. The only people that don't get paid are the student/athletes who play the sport.

$200K education is getting paid.

david45 wrote:

The idea that college athletes should be paid is ridiculous. How the hell do people who get to go to college for free, have priority in picking classes, gets a ton of extra tutoring, have easier admissions, get better dorms, and be granted all sorts of additional privilege and leeway deserve to get paid? College athletes are already treated like king. It is unfair that people who aren't doing something academic get scholarships in an academic institution in the first place. Most college athletes are studying in useless majors like communications or political science that don't contribute to society.

I don't get how college athletes are treated like trash. If someone hates being a college athlete, then quit. It is that simple.

Your post makes it clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know what college is? Do you know how much collegiate coaches get paid? How big the stadiums are - all because they don't have to worry about paying the people that bring in the revenue? It's a fact that if a school has a decent football season, even one time, the number of applications/admissions increases and not by a small percentage. Also, a small percentage of collegiate athletes are actually in school on full rides (you should probably know that before you run your nonsensical mouth).

Ok, Karen? Ok, Karen.

run run run wrote:

$200K education is getting paid.

You've obviously never been on an athletic scholarship before as you never see a dime of that supposedly $200K while in school. It does take some $ to feed the coin-op laundry at the dorm or apartment complex.

Alright then, say your employer said we'll cover your room (that you have to live with 4 other guys in a dorm)

Your "food" (while your on a meal plan eating cafeteria food every day)

While you work for us and do whatever we say, working 60 + hour weeks. (classes, plus study time, plus mandatory practices and meetings plus mandatory study hall plus mandatory media events)

While we don't provide a laptop for papers or research or money for laundry or other needed goods

You must be available to us Monday through Friday 5am - 10 PM and Saturday and Sunday 24 hours.

Oh and if you don't hit performance benchmarks you're fired.

Would you take that job?

Swim Bike Run wrote:

Alright then, say your employer said we'll cover your room (that you have to live with 4 other guys in a dorm)

Your "food" (while your on a meal plan eating cafeteria food every day)

While you work for us and do whatever we say, working 60 + hour weeks. (classes, plus study time, plus mandatory practices and meetings plus mandatory study hall plus mandatory media events)

While we don't provide a laptop for papers or research or money for laundry or other needed goods

You must be available to us Monday through Friday 5am - 10 PM and Saturday and Sunday 24 hours.

Oh and if you don't hit performance benchmarks you're fired.

Would you take that job?

Sounds like significantly better gig than my last job. Sure I’ll take it.

Your analogy is all wrong. College is not a job. Your fellow classmates are actually paying $200k to get their education sitting next to you in class. They are not being paid like you claim in your workplace example. Pro runners make far less than college athletes. Give up the scholarship and pay the $200k if you think that is a better deal than having it paid and being allowed to play a D1 sport. Supply and demand has a thousand kids waiting inline for your scholarship.

Big difference.

They can work while in school. We can’t.

Ever do the math on the hourly pay that an athlete receives? So you can't work because you have 3 hours of practice per day x 5 days per week x 30 weeks. That is 450 hours for $50k of pay per year. The average student who works those 450 hours at $10 per hour makes $4500 while you earn $200k.

Not that simple but sure, I have time today so I’ll do the math for my sport:

August 1-August 27th 2 a days + meetings and film + workouts

6a - 9:30 P every day (Sunday’s included) I’ll even take off one hour for lunch. 15.5 hr/ day for 27 days = 418. 5 hours.

Season: aug 27 - dec 4

Sunday = weights + training room + film + practice, 6 hours total

Monday = weights + training room + film meetings, 4 hours total.

Tuesday = weights + training room + film meetings + practice. 6.5 hours total

Wednesday = same as Tuesday.

Thursday = training room + meetings + practice = 5 hours total

Friday = walk through + meetings + travel + meetings + hotel = 7 hours total.

Saturday game day = all day event of meetings, warm up, the game, media events, travel. 8 hours for home, 12 hours for away. Yes I’m including travel as all professions bull for travel hours.

Hours - 47. Yes cara exist. Yes there are loopholes.

47 * 14 weeks (bye weeks follow similar schedule) = 705 hours.

Bowl game practices same as two a days, a little less about 12 hours per day from dec 4 - Jan 1. No Christmas off.

25* 12 = 300 hours.

Off season work starts Jan 8th. Workouts from Jan 8th - feb 28th. 2 hours/day 5x per week with “optional” meetings for an hour a day.

15 hrs per week * 7 = 105 hrs

Spring ball = March.

Sunday = film room for 2 hours

Monday = practice + film + weights 6 hours

Tuesday = Monday

Wednesday = film + weights for 3 hours.

Thursday = Monday.

Friday = Wednesday

Saturday = Monday.

32/week for 4 weeks 128 hours.

April = Jan.

15* 4 = 60 hours.

June - July = Jan.

8*15 = 120

Total = 1836 hours per year. Almost as expected of a salaried employee. So GTFO with that 450 hours BS

Yes CARA is a thing- half the job of compliance office is to find loopholes in it.

And I didn’t even include May as that was our one time off with workouts to do on our own so we were not absolutely F’d come June 1.

2x per day 4x per week with one short day at an hour

9hr/week for 4 weeks = additional 36 hours.

And I’m not including required media day events, meet the players events, filming promo videos, compliance or academic meetings, or any other countless odds and ends I could throw in.