The only way for some people to run their best race is to go for broke and hope they don't blow up. A lot of people use this method actually and it is definitely hit or miss.
The only way for some people to run their best race is to go for broke and hope they don't blow up. A lot of people use this method actually and it is definitely hit or miss.
I would agree, but pushing hard on the Hard Rock course doesn't sound fun :)
Also, to deny Killian has an advantage due to his size would be silly. Ultra running is all about efficiency and somebody who has less mass to move will have an advantage, especially on courses that have a lot of vertical gain.
I'm personally more interested on what Walmsley can do at Leadville than Hardrock. Hopefully he'll give it a go at some point while he still has the fitness to challenge the CR.
Too bad today didn't go his way. He seems to run into gut issues more often than other top 100-mile runners. Maybe something to look into. I remember a couple years ago he described his race nutrition in an interview and he was taking in way more calories than most ultra runners.
I don't think theres been any updates...?
ok and wrote:
Piano_Man87 wrote:
If Walmsley beats Jornet's time on Hard Rock, then we can no longer say Jornet is the best in the world.
This is about the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread so far. How about we start with Jim actually beating Kilian in a race, head to head before we start saying such dumb things, ok?
And in case you havent figured it out yet, Jim did not beat his time. He didnt even finish the run. So you can stop with these dumb comments now.
So in your mind, if Jim obliterated Kilian's time on the Hardrock 100 course, it would be meaningless?
I think it would call Kilian's supremacy into question. Sure, I agree, it would be better if Jim beat Kilian directly.
But then you'd be on here yammering about how Kilian had a bad race. It will never be enough for some people. The goal posts must always move.
So sorry you feel that way Mrs. Walmsley. Buck up, your son is doing OK out there.
Does anyone want to challenge Jim in your own back yard? :-)
ok and wrote:
I garee.
+1
Apparently he dropped at Sherman.
jerschwab wrote:
Apparently he dropped at Sherman.
https://twitter.com/JamilCoury/status/1286407142195392513
I've talked to Jamil and he's out of the loop on this one.
There's been zero information. Part of me thinks that's bad news because his crew would have announced the time if he had finished.
blerg wrote:
WhyRegisterHere? wrote:
Walmsley is a nice, American mountain guy who makes a lot of youtube videos to monetize himself.
I think you're confusing him with Sage.
I belive the same, he is talking about Sage Canada
joecrunner wrote:
Agreed, from what I understand, Hard Rock can be very dangerous at night and sometimes the trail isn't the easiest to follow.
Personally, I wouldn't refer to HR as "dangerous at night", at least for anyone who has qualified for the race proper and/or done enough course recce. It's really only dangerous for those who lack high mountain trail experience, and/or in inclement weather, neither of which is exclusive of time of day/night. I rather enjoy night on the course.
Likewise with route-finding. Indeed there are intermittent sections of "overland" (no trail) terrain, generally limited in length where they are connecting the end of one trail to the start of another in a different drainage or similar. A half mile here, a quarter mile there kind of stuff that doesn't add up to much overall but can throw you for a loop if you're not paying attention. Sometimes it's actually easier to follow at night since your headlamp picks up the reflective course marker flags, whereas during the day they may be difficult to spot amidst the fields of wildflowers. No joke (cue Julie Andrews singing here...).
Of course there would be no flags set up for an FKT attempt, and he was heading into an area where going a little astray isn't uncommon. In the race proper it generally only costs you time as you'll figure it out when the next person comes along, but without others if his GPS died indeed he could have wandered around all night long in confusion. From that perspective dropping was prudent if he hadn't properly recce it, which may be true according to sources. If so, it speaks to lack of experience/prep.
fre24 wrote:
Also, to deny Killian has an advantage due to his size would be silly. Ultra running is all about efficiency and somebody who has less mass to move will have an advantage, especially on courses that have a lot of vertical gain.
Uhhhhh, you may want to check Francois D'haene....record holder for the UTMB, and beat Jornet there. Makes Walmsley look puny...
reed wrote:
jerschwab wrote:
Apparently he dropped at Sherman.
https://twitter.com/JamilCoury/status/1286407142195392513I've talked to Jamil and he's out of the loop on this one.
There's been zero information. Part of me thinks that's bad news because his crew would have announced the time if he had finished.
According to several sources it's known he dropped at Sherman.
if no one is watching... wrote:
fre24 wrote:
Also, to deny Killian has an advantage due to his size would be silly. Ultra running is all about efficiency and somebody who has less mass to move will have an advantage, especially on courses that have a lot of vertical gain.
Uhhhhh, you may want to check Francois D'haene....record holder for the UTMB, and beat Jornet there. Makes Walmsley look puny...
While I generally believe smaller is better for ultras (just like marathons), there are no shortage of exceptions like Francois that call that theory into question.
More likely is the running gait/style itself, and I think Jim's bouncy/floaty stride work against him in the more rugged terrain such as HR and UTMB. It seems better suited for more moderate "runnable"terrain such as Leadville (and WS obviously).
Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
if no one is watching... wrote:
Uhhhhh, you may want to check Francois D'haene....record holder for the UTMB, and beat Jornet there. Makes Walmsley look puny...
While I generally believe smaller is better for ultras (just like marathons), there are no shortage of exceptions like Francois that call that theory into question.
More likely is the running gait/style itself, and I think Jim's bouncy/floaty stride work against him in the more rugged terrain such as HR and UTMB. It seems better suited for more moderate "runnable"terrain such as Leadville (and WS obviously).
This may be a factor. However, Jim has the CR at Speedgoat, 9 minutes faster than Kilian, even though KJ cut a bunch of switchbacks. Speedgoat has a similar profile and technical aspect to Hardrock and UTMB, so Jim can obviously negotiate this type of terrain, at least in a shorter race.
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
I don't follow Jim or ultra running at all, but it seems that he's a 50 mile or so guy, not a greater than 50 mile guy.
I stopped paying attention at “I don’t follow Jim or ultrarunning at all....”
Can't find his height/weight anywhere (Francois). There might be exceptions here and there, but common sense tells you the lighter you are, the less mass you have to move and the less calories you have to burn and process during the race. Walmsley makes up for it by trying to eat like crazy, but there is a penalty having to eat and digest more calories. There is really no way to argue it since long distance runners are always trying to find that lightest weight they can achieve without being too weak. I won't say it is night and day since we are talking 130ish vs 155ish, but I know that 25lbs makes a difference. I went from 190lbs to 180lbs and it made a large difference. If I went full out vegan lose as much weight as possible I would probably level down to 160 or so and I am sure that would be a whole other level of performance gain, but not worth it for me personally to be that weak.
ok and wrote:
I garee. The biggest problem is that Jim has a lot of ignorant and deluded fans.
Jim has a lot of fans who like p1ss off the aholes who get on every thread and denigrate him.
They are too stupid to realize what we are doing.