Gabriela DeBues-Stafford (3:56/14:44) leaves Laura Muir/Andy Young's training group for BTC

[quote]Alexi Tapas wrote:

Really surprised she left the Young team

Maybe it was too Young for her! HAHAHAHA

"I missed my family - so I'm moving to Portland..."

"I wanted to be more involved in the (non-existent) Canadian running scene - so I'm moving to the US"

Time difference Toronto to Glasgow - 5 hours

Time difference Toronto to Portland - 3 hours

Flight time to either is the same, but now you have to deal with US customs.

Something doesn't add up

I've never been to Scotland but I'm guessing portland area is nicer. Also BTC routinely goes up to flag. Altitude in Europe requires crossing multiple borders and going to the alps.

Sometimes just being on the same continent psychologically feels closer.

Glasgow fun to visit but to live and train? Pass.

DeBues-Stafford's events suit Bowerman better than Young's group which is 800/1500 runners.

hmmmmmmmm wrote:

"I missed my family - so I'm moving to Portland..."

"I wanted to be more involved in the (non-existent) Canadian running scene - so I'm moving to the US"

Time difference Toronto to Glasgow - 5 hours

Time difference Toronto to Portland - 3 hours

Flight time to either is the same, but now you have to deal with US customs.

Something doesn't add up

Maybe she doesnt like Scotland or the people in the training group. I would chose to train with Shelbo800. Plus , a short drive to the best city in North America , Vancouver .

Les wrote:

DeBues-Stafford's events suit Bowerman better than Young's group which is 800/1500 runners.

That said, under Young's training DeBues-Stafford raced the 1500 12 freaking times last year from June through October and ran her fastest time in her last race -- the World Championships final. Can't see anybody in Bowerman, Houlihan included, being able to do that.

What I wonder is when Efraimson is going to cross the river and start training with BTC, considering how well her former rival Cranny is doing there.

YMMV wrote:

What I wonder is when Efraimson is going to cross the river and start training with BTC, considering how well her former rival Cranny is doing there.

She needs to make a coaching change and now is the perfect time.

YMMV wrote:

What I wonder is when Efraimson is going to cross the river and start training with BTC, considering how well her former rival Cranny is doing there.

In the works , you see her there in the Fall.

Jerry is going to be coaching like 30 athletes by next year at this rate

Except This wrote:

YMMV wrote:

What I wonder is when Efraimson is going to cross the river and start training with BTC, considering how well her former rival Cranny is doing there.

In the works , you see her there in the Fall.

That would be fantastic.

Between Gabriela, Shelby and Karissa BTC has 3 of the top 9 fastest north american 1500 women of all time. Given how well Karissa is running and the age of shannon Rowbury and Jenny Simpson, BTC could soon have the 3 fastest North american 1500 women actively racing (albeit 3 races a year cause its BTC)

I didn't realize just how low her mileage was. If she stays healthy she could have another massive year in 2021. Plus now Shelby as a training partner... sheesh. I don't recall if she has the finishing speed though, and she'll need that at worlds.

shes moved from one group of obvious dopers,to another group of obvious dopers.im pretty sure she dropped her pb in the 1500 by about 20 seconds from 2017 to 2019,and a lot more in the 5000.

Les wrote:

Les wrote:

DeBues-Stafford's events suit Bowerman better than Young's group which is 800/1500 runners.

That said, under Young's training DeBues-Stafford raced the 1500 12 freaking times last year from June through October and ran her fastest time in her last race -- the World Championships final. Can't see anybody in Bowerman, Houlihan included, being able to do that.

If one discounts the two mile races included (Monaco, huge PB, and Birmingham, lost to Koko in windy conditions), the Doha heats/semi and the Canadian trials, she improved her PB in all her races but Pre. Her old PB was 4:03.55 from Berlin 2017 (a race worth watching to appreciate the stunning improvement of both GDS and Houlihan between then and now), which she improved in Rome (early June) to 4:01.28. June 10th, Rabat 4:00.46, (June 30th, Pre 4:02.06), July 20th, London 4:00.26, Aug 29th, Zurich 3:59.59, oct 5th, Dohan 3:56.12. That's enough improvement for half a decade in one season.

jeff tallon wrote:

shes moved from one group of obvious dopers,to another group of obvious dopers.im pretty sure she dropped her pb in the 1500 by about 20 seconds from 2017 to 2019,and a lot more in the 5000.

lol k. 4:03 at 20 still in college + goes pro, chases a 3:55 runner and then gets hauled in one of the fastest races of all time in Doha + no missed tests, no banned coaches, raced 16 times in one season (so likely tested a lot) = clearly doping??

She ran 4:07 at 20, when she ran 4:03.55 in Berlin 2017 she was 2 weeks shy of 22 and did not improve that mark until 2019.

If I had to rank the strongest improvements in the last ca. 3 years among female non-African runners, I'd put it like Schweizer, Houlihan, GDS, Koko, Weightman, Reekie, Purrier, but with the last two we'll have to wait for them to match their strong indoor performances. If one includes African (born), there are of course many more, first maybe Salpeter.

hmmmmmmmm wrote:

"I missed my family - so I'm moving to Portland..."

Time difference Toronto to Glasgow - 5 hours

Time difference Toronto to Portland - 3 hours

Flight time to either is the same, but now you have to deal with US customs.

Something doesn't add up

Looking at her instagram she posts quite a lot: there are maybe 2 pictures from Glasgow in 2019/20 but 10+ from training camps in South Africa/Switzerland. Can read that as either that she didn't enjoy time there that much or that she spent a very large chunk of time not actually there. Could even be both.