zumwalt high wrote:
Yes - absolutely-positively he is a great coach. Competitive success, personal development.
His training program might not fit everyone but none do. He emphasized seeking personal best and his athletes gave 100% which is what you want.
Wouldn't you want to do that without injuring a ton of your athletes? Again, all I know is hearsay based on people who were in the program. Still, how is that different from every other coach?
Also, "his training program might not fit everyone". I would think a great coach would tailor each athlete's training to what works best for them
What is your issue with Al Carius?
NCC, like every DIII program, has to take 9:20 to 9:50 hs guys and turn them into 24:30 8k runners in order to succeed. There isn't anyway to do that without putting in the miles. Every program has injuries regardless of their mileage or racing schedule. It's an inherent part of the sport.
As far as individualization goes, runners generally stay healthier and race better when they train as a group.
Most coaches will give runners a race off during the season if they need it and occasionally cut or add reps for runners depending on the day. That said, I don't know of any college programs that individualize much beyond a varsity and a development group for xc and a mid-d group and a distance group for track. Exact paces will obviously vary for each runner depending on ability.
I don't have an issue with Al. I just asked a question about their program - heard it was a meat grinder. From what I read he's really good at building a team culture (which is important and often not done well) but if you have a hundred guys trying for 7 spots, of course you're going to have a good team. Its a numbers game.
This is similar to what frustrated me about everyone calling Joe Newton a legendary coach. Um, what did any york runner do post high school? Sage and McNamara are the only ones who i can think of that had success. As a unit, the gradutes of York's collegiate success, in no way, matched their high school success. I watched Jack Driggs run 4:17 to with the Illinois state title and just looked him up - his best 3k was 8:25. My roommate in college ran that and he was a 17:00 3 miler in HS.
Again, I have no issue with Al. His team culture building alone would probably make him one of the better college coaches in the US. But to pretend that only he could develop the >9:40 2 milers into a established runners is ridiculous. There are plenty of late bloomers that get overlooked because they don't have the times. Coaches are supposed to preach personal development. Would he have had the same success if he had a roster limit?
This is so stupid. If it was as simple as you say wouldn’t every coach be doing this (getting as many people as possible on their team and putting them through the meat grinder)? So even if you’re right about this simplistic assessment of Al’s approach to coaching, which you aren’t, why wouldn’t everyone else be playing the “numbers game?” And if you think it’s easy to recruit 100s of kids to come to north central why isn’t anyone else in their conference or at similar caliber enrollment driven schools doing it?
Isn’t the goal to win cross country meets? And North Central has done that more than anyone. Period. Which makes Al and Grammy great coaches.