You can where your mask, which does nothing, to a restaurant sit down remove said mask and it’s okay, it’s okay to dine indoors without a mask as long as you wore it in. This is the height of hypocrisy and plain ol ignorance. This doesn’t even make sense?
Can someone tell me how Jay can issue these kinds of orders. Was there a vote? Is it his unilateral decision?
Interesting. You say 0.5% lethality, while a poster above says "only 3%." Perhaps you two should talk.
Hi Jamin!
Kvothe wrote:
The key to holding races is getting covid-19 to such low numbers that contact tracing can catch ALL outbreaks.
Though it would be easy to do, there has never been a valid test performed to confirm that a covid19 virus exists.
Therefore, there is also NO valid test that shows anyone has ever even had a covid19 virus, much less died from one.
= = =
You are spreading false information. REPORTED!
So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:
Or we could just start allowing outdoor event permits and races immediately. But sure, just 6 more months of lockdown, until we extend the lockdowns again!
I agree. There was never any good reason for the lockdowns.
Everything should open back up without any restrictions right now.
The global plan is apparently to make the lockdowns permanent. If that happens which is likely, most people will entirely forget about any virus, yet will still insist on wearing breathing restrictors and giving up all their freedoms. They will probably even forget that they previously had any freedoms, and talk about how it's so much better now - that they don't have any - and that it's a small price too pay, but they won't remember for what.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Funny thing about all these big lockdown places (New York, UK, Lombardy) - the antibody tests showed they hit herd immunity quickly and it's all over there one way or the other.
All these other places that cried about "flatten the curve" and the hospitals never got close to flooded, their antibody tests show they're just prolonging the agony. Examine the logic. Either
A) the lockdowns work
=> no herd immunity when they are lifted
=> unless and until vaccine happens, outbreak returns when lockdown ends
AND
vaccine may never happen (axiomatic - it's the common cold)
=> state committed to possibly indefinite, self-destructive lockdown.
B) lockdowns don't work (witness Italy, UK, New York)
=> no more wasting resources protecting healthy people
=> possibly fewer deaths of unhealthy people to blame on covid-19.
Politics isn't logical, and in the U.S., it has committed itself to a narrative that B) would dispel, so it is recklessly committed to A) and its mad rush into limbo.
nonsense from the first line. Don't waste your time reading.
It is too early to say NY has herd immunity. From NY Times on July 10th:
"“It is premature to discuss herd immunity, since we are still learning what the presence of Covid-19 antibodies means to an individual and whether, or for how long, that conveys immunity; and we don’t know how the level of immunity in a single community translates into herd immunity,” said Jonah Bruno, a spokesman for the New York state Department of Health."
Lion belt wrote:
All lockdowns should be lifted definitely. At this point it has proved to not work at all.
You can t remove people freedom and rights for a full year and continue to destroy the economy because a virus with a lethality of 0.05% has appeared.
Life must continue and pnly the elder must be cautious.
Half of all covid patients are coming away with heart damage. It is not just the elderly.
Numbers wrote:
Interesting. You say 0.5% lethality, while a poster above says "only 3%." Perhaps you two should talk.
I understood that quite clearly to mean 3 percent of 0.5 percent.
You'd then have to multiply the result by 0.00 to find the true lethality, since not even one person has ever been tested to have died from a covid19 virus, and there's never been a valid test done to show such a virus exists - though doing one would not be a complicated process.
An obvious question should be, why has there never been a test done to confirm that there's a covid19 virus? The obvious answer is, because whoever came up with this scheme doesn't want people to know the truth, that there is no covid19 virus.
Numbers wrote:
Interesting. You say 0.5% lethality, while a poster above says "only 3%." Perhaps you two should talk.
Simple. Tha poster above is wrong.
It s even less than that for young people. Like 0.001%.
0.5% is accounting old people and those who have other pre existing conditions.
It seems unscientific to put down measures in place for such a long timeline. Surely the case numbers could look a lot different in a couple months, so the timeline would then change. Why not just keep extending it bit by bit as required?
There’s another way to get back to racing quickly. Just issue the permit. Boom. Done. And another way... get somebody with enough private property in a state that hasn’t threatened to arrest and fine normal people to allow you to use their land for a few hours. And another way... call a few folks to meet up with you. You won’t get the roads shut down or get your shiny finishers medal, but you can probably manage if you use some ingenuity and pick a spot with no traffic (like a park). ... other ways?
Kvothe wrote:
So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:
If there's no lockdown then we could hold races now.
You would think, but races require a) a permit and b) the willingness of a company/race director to put it on. Permits for events are a separate issue from the lockdown and are issued under even more stringent rules. For instance localities in Southern California ended or lessened its lockdown for most businesses, even to the point of theme parks opening, yet still would not issue event permits. The lockdowns are gradually going back into place as covid 19 spiked here. The key to holding races is getting covid-19 to such low numbers that contact tracing can catch ALL outbreaks.
So this mitigating of restrictions will come in waves and the best way to reach the wave we want (where races can be held) is through as strict of a lock down as possible. You should be wishing for no activities to be allowed except cycling, running and walking with immediate family or alone only and grocery shopping. This will get us racing much quicker than the half butted approach a lot of localities want to take.
Its foolish to think any place is going to wave all event, scholastic, and business restrictions at the same time as there would be major health and political ramifications to a covid spike.,
jamin wrote:
An acquaintance who is connected to state politicians told me that Governor Jay Inslee is planning to extend current lockdown measures (<10 people at gatherings) through the end of 2020
Good. No offence but you guys need to get your poop in a group.
NeedForSpeed wrote:
Lion belt wrote:
All lockdowns should be lifted definitely. At this point it has proved to not work at all.
You can t remove people freedom and rights for a full year and continue to destroy the economy because a virus with a lethality of 0.05% has appeared.
Life must continue and pnly the elder must be cautious.
Half of all covid patients are coming away with heart damage. It is not just the elderly.
Half of all covid spammers are coming away with brain damage. Another stat I just made up.
Will you be moving to a freedom loving state like Georgia or Oklahoma?
We aren't currently under a full lockdown.
Kvothe wrote:
This thread proves me right that some posters are just here because far right views are allowed and do not care about running much, if at all.
What far right views did you see on here? Someone was claiming that Covid hasn't killed anyone, which is an inherently stupid statement, but there is nothing far right on this thread so far. No neo-Nazis or White supremacists or anything connected to the far right posted on this thread.
If I correctly read the gist of your post Bad Wigins, you seem to believe Gov. Inslee should open the tattoo shops, massage parlors, pubs, saloons, strip clubs, bars, bistros, and all other names of gathering spots covid easily spreads. It sound like you want Darwin to take over. I do not want to bring near instant death on so many residents of WA under your scenario. Actually, Inslee needs to ask himself: What who Abe Lincoln do? What would F.D.R. do? We know if either men were Governor of WA today, they would use Martial Law, shut down WA until there were no more covid-19.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Funny thing about all these big lockdown places (New York, UK, Lombardy) - the antibody tests showed they hit herd immunity quickly and it's all over there one way or the other.
All these other places that cried about "flatten the curve" and the hospitals never got close to flooded, their antibody tests show they're just prolonging the agony. Examine the logic. Either
A) the lockdowns work
=> no herd immunity when they are lifted
=> unless and until vaccine happens, outbreak returns when lockdown ends
AND
vaccine may never happen (axiomatic - it's the common cold)
=> state committed to possibly indefinite, self-destructive lockdown.
B) lockdowns don't work (witness Italy, UK, New York)
=> no more wasting resources protecting healthy people
=> possibly fewer deaths of unhealthy people to blame on covid-19.
Politics isn't logical, and in the U.S., it has committed itself to a narrative that B) would dispel, so it is recklessly committed to A) and its mad rush into limbo.
listen to this guy...he's a real pro.
https://imgur.com/a/W9ZZ7rVwith a track record like that.....can we afford NOT to believe this guy? ? ?
Dr. D. Birx & Dr. A. Fauci wrote:
all other names of gathering spots covid easily spreads
If the virus doesn't exist, how can it spread?
Shouldn't the first step be to prove it exists, and if so, why hasn't that yet been done?
dunes runner wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
The key to holding races is getting covid-19 to such low numbers that contact tracing can catch ALL outbreaks.
Though it would be easy to do, there has never been a valid test performed to confirm that a covid19 virus exists.
Therefore, there is also NO valid test that shows anyone has ever even had a covid19 virus, much less died from one.
= = =
You are spreading false information. REPORTED!
This is accurate though I'm pretty sure not many here will challenge their assumptions and examine the science on this.
It is an unassailable fact that Covid-19 has not been scientifically proven . It has not been verified using Koch’s Postulate. This virus does not meet any of the conditions laid out in that test. To do this the virus must be isolated and purified. This has not been done.
The requirement is for independent analysis with results being subjected to peer review .
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
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