An acquaintance who is connected to state politicians told me that Governor Jay Inslee is planning to extend current lockdown measures (<10 people at gatherings) through the end of 2020
An acquaintance who is connected to state politicians told me that Governor Jay Inslee is planning to extend current lockdown measures (<10 people at gatherings) through the end of 2020
It sucks, but it may end the pandemic there. Wouldn't it be great if you could be racing by indoors? Anyways, why did you pick Boulder and not Alaska? Looks like some races might actually be going on up there.
jamin wrote:
An acquaintance who is connected to state politicians told me that Governor Jay Inslee is planning to extend current lockdown measures (<10 people at gatherings) through the end of 2020
Smart!
The whole state of WA to be in lockdown? Apart from Seattle and its few other cities, I don't think the rural countryside needs to be under strict lockdown when people live so far apart from each other.
Kvothe wrote:
It sucks, but it may end the pandemic there. Wouldn't it be great if you could be racing by indoors?
Zero chance of that happening. Come on man.
So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
It sucks, but it may end the pandemic there. Wouldn't it be great if you could be racing by indoors?
Zero chance of that happening. Come on man.
Well it would be no different than now and you could go to a restaurant without risking getting sick, so that would be an improvement. What's it matter what's locked down if no races are being held.
jamin wrote:
An acquaintance who is connected to state politicians told me that Governor Jay Inslee is planning to extend current lockdown measures (<10 people at gatherings) through the end of 2020
Jamin, moved to Florida. We need believers like you to keep the state in red hands. Join my 2024 team for a presidential run. ?
-- Ronny de Santis
Kvothe wrote:
So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:
Zero chance of that happening. Come on man.
Well it would be no different than now and you could go to a restaurant without risking getting sick, so that would be an improvement. What's it matter what's locked down if no races are being held.
If there's no lockdown then we could hold races now.
Of course failed presidential candidate Inslee must shut down the state and require us all to wear masks. After all, we're almost at 6/10ths of 1% of the state's residents testing positive. And a whole 3.2% of them have died. Oh, the humanity! I guess pretty soon we'll have to deploy those front-loaders used in Soylent Green to scoop up the dead.
So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
Well it would be no different than now and you could go to a restaurant without risking getting sick, so that would be an improvement. What's it matter what's locked down if no races are being held.
If there's no lockdown then we could hold races now.
You would think, but races require a) a permit and b) the willingness of a company/race director to put it on. Permits for events are a separate issue from the lockdown and are issued under even more stringent rules. For instance localities in Southern California ended or lessened its lockdown for most businesses, even to the point of theme parks opening, yet still would not issue event permits. The lockdowns are gradually going back into place as covid 19 spiked here. The key to holding races is getting covid-19 to such low numbers that contact tracing can catch ALL outbreaks.
So this mitigating of restrictions will come in waves and the best way to reach the wave we want (where races can be held) is through as strict of a lock down as possible. You should be wishing for no activities to be allowed except cycling, running and walking with immediate family or alone only and grocery shopping. This will get us racing much quicker than the half butted approach a lot of localities want to take.
Its foolish to think any place is going to wave all event, scholastic, and business restrictions at the same time as there would be major health and political ramifications to a covid spike.,
Or we could just start allowing outdoor event permits and races immediately. But sure, just 6 more months of lockdown, until we extend the lockdowns again!
Yesbut wrote:
Of course failed presidential candidate Inslee must shut down the state and require us all to wear masks. After all, we're almost at 6/10ths of 1% of the state's residents testing positive. And a whole 3.2% of them have died. Oh, the humanity! I guess pretty soon we'll have to deploy those front-loaders used in Soylent Green to scoop up the dead.
It's like you are blaming the fireman for putting out the fire.
You have those low numbers because of the lockdown yet you use them to try to dismiss the need for a lockdown.
It's like getting shot with a bulletproof vest on, surviving, and then saying "SEE...this thing is USELESS!"
That would be nice if they allowed low risk activities like road races, up to a certain size with reasonable precaution (no expo), but you're asking for a fairy tale. Do you see anyone out protesting - hold races? No, at most they're protesting to go to work or the beach. The fact is outside the runners finishing in the top 50-100 at major road races, no one else really cares about them, its just a hobby they do. We need to focus on ending the pandemic if we want our races back, not magic solutions like "they just allow event permits" which will not happen.
Someone else explained in a thread a while back that races can't accept the risk of covid, if someone got sick they could sue the pants off a race and win, so that's another reason why having event permits in a pandemic isn't going to happen. I say we focus on realistic solutions instead of easy feel good ideas where no one has to put in effort.
Kvothe wrote:
That would be nice if they allowed low risk activities like road races, up to a certain size with reasonable precaution....
You do not understand how COVID-19 spreads. It is an aerosol virus which has exceptional hang time after being exhausted in the breath of a person who has it. Runner exhaust a larger volume of air at greater speed than people just walking around. An aerosol mist can hang in the air for several minutes. So, the infected runner in front of you is exhausting his COVID-19 and you run into his mist and inhale.
I do not see how it is possible to have a "safe" road race unless it is run in stages over period of many hours. Maintain social distance and mask up if you are approaching someone. And they need to mask up if they are being passed. You might think this scenario is not workable BUT it is how the Hash House Harriers have been doing the run events. A trail is set. Runners show up when they think it light be low volume. Social distance is maintained while running (easier to do when there are not so many people around). And masking is used when running if necessary, which is not that often.
COVID is not something you want to test yourself against. It is like playing Russian Roulette. Long term effects can means your future running days will be much slower, or over completely. It is not worth risking your future health and running hoping you avoid the bullet the chamber, while continuing to pull the trigger. Make adjustments to you running and wait a year or so until a solution is found.
If the process you outline causes infection in a road race, that's just even more reason to overcome this pandemic before races are held. I'm not going to argue against it, but if a race were being held near me, I'd take my chances and run it.
Have fun, but i'm out.
johnfromSJ wrote:
The whole state of WA to be in lockdown? Apart from Seattle and its few other cities, I don't think the rural countryside needs to be under strict lockdown when people live so far apart from each other.
I do not know what Dr. D. Birx really believes. I do not know what Dr. A. Fauci really believes. Maybe to satisfy trump they talked in March of strategic lockdowns.
European nations that have done far better than U.S. shut their entire nations down. U.S. should have shut the entire nation down by March 1st. If U.S. would have shut down the entire nation March 1st, the entire nation would be far better off now and the entire nation would be ready for fall in person class.
Your statement about opening up rural counties in WA is not smart. If the pubs in western Washington were to open, King County folks, covid-19 positive King County folks would spread pandemic to Jefferson County & Clallam County. As far as I know, no deaths in Jefferson County or Clallam County.
It is so easy to travel in U.S. Attempting to close counties or states does not work. The entire nation needs to close. No massage parlors, no strip clubs, no saloons, no dive bars, no church, no Mosque, no Temple. Close U.S. for 3 months in a row and beat the virus.
All lockdowns should be lifted definitely. At this point it has proved to not work at all.
You can t remove people freedom and rights for a full year and continue to destroy the economy because a virus with a lethality of 0.05% has appeared.
Life must continue and pnly the elder must be cautious.
Funny thing about all these big lockdown places (New York, UK, Lombardy) - the antibody tests showed they hit herd immunity quickly and it's all over there one way or the other.
All these other places that cried about "flatten the curve" and the hospitals never got close to flooded, their antibody tests show they're just prolonging the agony. Examine the logic. Either
A) the lockdowns work
=> no herd immunity when they are lifted
=> unless and until vaccine happens, outbreak returns when lockdown ends
AND
vaccine may never happen (axiomatic - it's the common cold)
=> state committed to possibly indefinite, self-destructive lockdown.
B) lockdowns don't work (witness Italy, UK, New York)
=> no more wasting resources protecting healthy people
=> possibly fewer deaths of unhealthy people to blame on covid-19.
Politics isn't logical, and in the U.S., it has committed itself to a narrative that B) would dispel, so it is recklessly committed to A) and its mad rush into limbo.
lingering in the air wrote:You might think this scenario is not workable BUT it is how the Hash House Harriers have been doing the run events. A trail is set. Runners show up when they think it light be low volume. Social distance is maintained while running (easier to do when there are not so many people around). And masking is used when running if necessary, which is
My Hash3 hust returned to normal after four months off. It's great to be back
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