Masters star Kevin Castille - whom many LRCers thought was on drugs - is banned for testing positive for a steroid

Looks like you haven't been posting enough Smoove. Some people here still don't know you.

Geezer

Did you manage to run the 5k you had been posting about some time ago? Did you reach your goal? Do you try to limit your food intake at all? Are you concerned about the Coronavirus?

Geezer

I would like to add that you and Flagpole are two of my favorite posters. I could picture you two starring in Brokeback Mountain together, even if you are both married to women.

Michael Jackson, Hugh Grant, Richard Gere and Tom Cruise were also married to women.

Thecat wrote:

Geezer

I would like to add that you and Flagpole are two of my favorite posters. I could picture you two starring in Brokeback Mountain together, even if you are both married to women.

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runrincerepeat wrote:

Smoove loves Smoove .. and he is a legendary LRC poster who .. yes was possibly (most likely) screwed out of some prize money etc ... so talking about that does not mean this thread is "all about smoove" ..

and any troll wanting to think that he doped is INSANE ... every training week he did for years is on LRC... nothing out of line .. just a talented masters runner training smart

Just in case my previous post conveyed the wrong impression, I wasn't agreeing that this thread is "all about Smoove" in any negative way. Rather, I was saying that thread is, and should be, at least in part about the honest runners like Smoove who were cheated by Castille.

socalcush wrote: i've got one teammate who lost four different national titles to castille, and guess what: he sleeps well at night, still trains hard, and is satisfied with ALL the risks (injuries, dopers, tripping 10 meters before the finish while you're leading before a packed house at historic hayward field, etc.)

cush

Too soon.

Maybe not.... Skip to 8:55 in the video

Why is every USATF race behind a paywall except that one? At least it prompted them to tear down that bumpy old track...

That's the thing. Few people over 40 put in high mileage and optimize workouts because of other responsibilities. If you do and you were well under your potential when you were young, you can beat the pr's without taking drugs or supplements. Anyone in a decent college program for a few years would have trouble beating those times in their 40s. Kevin Castile was not a world beater when he was young but he was running sub 29 in his 40s. No credible.

Bro, if you’re my age and in shape, everyone who doesn’t know you assumes you’re gay.

Although wrong in my case, I would say it used to be a pretty good assumption—but now with easy TRT, vanity is easy for anyone to satisfy.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Bro, if you’re my age and in shape, everyone who doesn’t know you assumes you’re gay.

Although wrong in my case, I would say it used to be a pretty good assumption—but now with easy TRT, vanity is easy for anyone to satisfy.

Oh no...I did not assume you were gay. Well you know if you go back maybe 60 years and look at photos, it really seems like 80 percent of the population was fairly lean, although not sure what kind of shape they were in regarding fitness. I really was just joking about you and Flagpole but I do think you two are good posters, regardless of whether I typically agree with you or not.

As far as Castille goes, I actually applaud him for cheating. It gave him some sense of accomplishment and in the end it likely was an overall benefit for him, assuming there are no deleterious health consequences. It detracts from his character, sure, but it is not that big of a deal to me. I think many would cheat, and do, under certain circumstances, and for some of us we would feel like a fraud...

I do take issue with a couple things discussed here. First, been running on the USATF masters road and xc circuit and some big races for a number of years now and don't think that every other runner, let alone 5% or 10% are taking illegal PEDs. You can usually see it--e.g., off the chart performances. And as I said upthread, it's probably happening but it is not common. And I take issue with those saying that it's rampant

As far as marked improvement in age grading, well that's another story.

Registered User. wrote:

socalcush wrote: i've got one teammate who lost four different national titles to castille, and guess what: he sleeps well at night, still trains hard, and is satisfied with ALL the risks (injuries, dopers, tripping 10 meters before the finish while you're leading before a packed house at historic hayward field, etc.)

cush

Too soon.

Maybe not.... Skip to 8:55 in the video

https://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=150538

So cold! Dang.

John - you the man... Don't let cush or anyone else tell you otherwise.

Coyote, as to age grade jumps,I think jumps in later age group are different. I think longevity, a critical attribute to success, plays an increasingly important role in later age groups. But with the 40-44 and 45-49 age groups, participation rates make those jumps more questionable.

The whole thing reminded me of the Barry Bonds /Mark McGwire situation in baseball. Completely unbelievable from the start, but unchecked by the league.

RegionalAtBest wrote:

The whole thing reminded me of the Barry Bonds /Mark McGwire situation in baseball. Completely unbelievable from the start, but unchecked by the league.

It seems logical that the top Masters runners aren't getting randomly tested at home, but Kevin should have been one of the exceptions. If my memory serves me, Kevin would skip quite a few races that he was signed up for where testing was likely, so he would've gotten popped sooner or later.

Registered User. wrote:

socalcush wrote: i've got one teammate who lost four different national titles to castille, and guess what: he sleeps well at night, still trains hard, and is satisfied with ALL the risks (injuries, dopers, tripping 10 meters before the finish while you're leading before a packed house at historic hayward field, etc.)

cush

Too soon.

Maybe not.... Skip to 8:55 in the video

https://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=150538

I actually managed the same thing about 17 years ago in the Nationals at Eugene. Hit the last barrier in the 3000m steeplechase, but was a bit luckier - I was third at the time and finished third...

Smoove wrote:

I agree that I don’t want to see the guy destitute, but he deserves to be a pariah in the running community.

This wasn’t a lapse in judgment. He cheated others for years, and cost those people (me and regular poster Jewbacca among them) money or podium finishes.

He shouldn’t go to prison (for this transgression). He shouldn’t be some lambasted that he ends up going the Frank Meza route, but there’s no place for him in the running community.

There are other rumors about him that I suspect might make some of us feel like he should be destitute if they are true, but I don’t have a good enough basis to say they are true.

It's good news. I figured something was up when he disappeared from racing last year, but a 4 year ban is more than I'd hoped for.

Joins Eddy H and a certain deceased "marathoner" in the Masters Hall of Shame.