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All shoes with carbon plate are roughly the same. All track spikes are roughly the same. Don't waste your money.
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How dare you! God himself constructed the Vaporfly’s! Without his springy and reactive pebax foam and perfectly designed carbon plate no one would ever run faster in the marathon! No amount of working out makes up for the advantage of the Vaporfly’s! Only a low IQ mortal could see this! Cheater fly’s are science
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Spikes are pretty similar, but the general "carbon plated" category is pretty diverse now.
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The carbon plated shoes have a big range in weight, stack, and heel-toe drop. These shoes are roughly the same?
https://www.runningwarehouse.com/New_Balance_FuelCell_TC/descpage-NBRV1M1.html
https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Skechers_GOrun_Speed_Elite_Hyper/descpage-SGSE002.html -
All shoes with carbon plates are expensive. How are you implying that someone would waste their money?
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Those two shoes are roughly the same price.
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Even though those shoes serve different purposes, yes they are roughly the same.
The New Balance shoe is more of a training shoe, while the speed elite is more of a racing shoe. Both shoes can be used for racing or training, but each has there disadvantages.
https://www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_Hyper_MD_7_Unisex_Spikes/descpage-AHMD7US.html
https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Saucony_Endorphin_3_Mens_Spikes/descpage-SEND3M2.html
These spikes are roughly the same, but are better for certain event. However, it is possible to use them for the same events.
Train hard and run fast. Don't get lost in the shoe game. -
180 vs 275, 160 vs 250, etc.
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If the criteria for being roughly the same is they can be used for racing and/or training then yes they are all the same.
If you consider any important characteristics that people consider when buying a shoe like stability, responsiveness, cushioning, type of foam, etc then no they are not roughly the same. -
Nutsack McGee wrote:
All shoes with carbon plates are expensive. How are you implying that someone would waste their money?
You can get new Zoom Fly FK/SPs for $70-80 on ebay. I would probably prefer them for marathons over other non-vaporfly shoes if I had to.
All shoes with carbon plates are absolutely not the same. It's been shown that curved plates (Nike) are better than flat plates (Hoka's first couple models). Pebax/zoomx foam is lighter and possibly contributes more to energy return. Zero-drop shoes (Hoka) also aren't good for racing for many people. -
Hoka isn’t 0 drop. Carbon X is 5mm. Alphafly is 4mm....
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The Endorphin Pro and the Next% are both great shoes, but the Next% is .4 ounces lighter, which makes a huge difference.
That alone is the reason why I would always wear the Next% over the EP in any race from the Half Marathon and up.
.4 ounces is a significant difference, not "roughly the same". They are different. -
They’re all very different to be completely honest.
I’m not a big Nike fan, but if you’re an elite marathoner you should be wearing Nike. -
It's impossible for a carbon plate to make you run faster. It's just not how the mechanics work.
It's also nigh impossible for spikes to make you any faster, unless you're fast enough out of blocks to take advantage of the extra leverage. Otherwise they're as likely to slow you down as speed you up. Once you hit top speed you're more avoiding braking force than accelerating, and then it's better for a badly time footstrike to skid forward a bit than immediately stick to the track. -
Bad Wigins wrote:
It's impossible for a carbon plate to make you run faster. It's just not how the mechanics work.
It's also nigh impossible for spikes to make you any faster, unless you're fast enough out of blocks to take advantage of the extra leverage. Otherwise they're as likely to slow you down as speed you up. Once you hit top speed you're more avoiding braking force than accelerating, and then it's better for a badly time footstrike to skid forward a bit than immediately stick to the track.
Hmm, another garbo opinion from BW. -
supragraf wrote:
Hoka isn’t 0 drop. Carbon X is 5mm. Alphafly is 4mm....
"Zero-drop" normally means 3-5mm, though I did not know the Alphafly was only 4mm -
SOOO true I've run such good times in the worst spikes that are like 20 quid against people wearing the most luxorious expensive shoes. They aren't going to make much more than a 0.5% difference probably less unless you're running in crocs. My 400 record in crocs is maybe 2 or 3% slower than with my expensive nike spikes
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Ho Hum wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
It's impossible for a carbon plate to make you run faster. It's just not how the mechanics work.
It's also nigh impossible for spikes to make you any faster, unless you're fast enough out of blocks to take advantage of the extra leverage. Otherwise they're as likely to slow you down as speed you up. Once you hit top speed you're more avoiding braking force than accelerating, and then it's better for a badly time footstrike to skid forward a bit than immediately stick to the track.
Hmm, another garbo opinion from BW.
It's called a fact, and you haven't disputed it. -
Are you saying that bare feet are faster than carbon plated shoes and/or spiked shoes?
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Hardloper wrote:
supragraf wrote:
Hoka isn’t 0 drop. Carbon X is 5mm. Alphafly is 4mm....
"Zero-drop" normally means 3-5mm, though I did not know the Alphafly was only 4mm
Lmao what? What do you call shoes that have 0-2mm drops?
