good to see her cocktail of drugs is working well for her.theres no way in hell she is running clean.
good to see her cocktail of drugs is working well for her.theres no way in hell she is running clean.
Can a record be ratified under this ‘race’ (time trail) condition? What are the requirements? Is the event sanctioned by USATF? Does it need to be?
I don’t want to come across as knocking Houlihan which would be nuts. And clearly she has made some improvements over the past few years. My point is that this ‘race’ does NOT indicate anything we didn’t already know! She was probably capable of running this fast last year.
Ahmed is a good example - he clearly had a breakthrough year last year, but only ran 12:58. However, he medaled against the Ethiopians and had a few other moments that indicated he was a medal contender (obviously). 12:47 in a time trial is shocking, but it makes sense.
Another example - Schweizer actually has made a big jump recently. But she’s not 20 seconds better than last year - she ran 14:45 or whatever in much less ideal circumstances and wasn’t close to medaling. Is she closer now? Sure, but all of the gold medal contenders are capable of threatening the world record, and these two are not there.
Does this mean she's done with the 800?
jeff tallon wrote:
good to see her cocktail of drugs is working well for her.theres no way in hell she is running clean.
You're not very good at this.
Flat lander from Iowa?!? ROFL! Clearly you’ve never been to Iowa or Sioux City....
the letter why wrote:
Another example - Schweizer actually has made a big jump recently. But she’s not 20 seconds better than last year - she ran 14:45 or whatever in much less ideal circumstances and wasn’t close to medaling. Is she closer now? Sure, but all of the gold medal contenders are capable of threatening the world record, and these two are not there.
How is she not almost 20 secs better? Recall that she improved 10 (heat)+7 seconds in Doha. The Doha final had very good conditions for Schweizer to improve. It was not too fast for a 14:50 runner most of the time and when the first 6 or so separated at around halfway through she still had a group with runners at her level. splits for KS in Doha 2:57 5:54 8:49 11:53 14:45 and she was "paced "by Weightman and others until the end.
But I agree that one has to look at the details of races like London and Brussels DL and Doha final last year to see the difference between a sub 14:30 time trial and sub 14:30 races
No kidding, amazing improvement.
I hope to see a WR attempt this year with the top East Africans. I’ve never seen this huge PR’s before by an elite level athlete. I mean the norm is just single digits, crazy improvements in just two races. What’s next 14:05 lol
Well, Hassan is running the 5k in Monaco next month. I don't expect a WR, but sub 14:20 should be possible.
I watched this and just am being turned off of track. I guess I have to wrap my head around how much the shoes account for the improvement. We saw it in indoor, mile record broken on womens side, and these two performances as well is many others. It's where we are as a sport - basically - comparing records from 5 years ago and before and now just possible.
For a sport that relies so much on rankings and history comparison its kind of a turn off to follow.
Well think about this:
Shelby H is ONLY using the og classic vic elites or Vic 2s
Good taste AND legal
Shelby was wearing spikes that have been out since 2012. Carbon fibre has been around for years before the vaporfly and no one has complained about it then. ZoomX foam is perfectly legal and a result of innovation to reduce energy loss.
The only thing ANYONE should have some sort of problem with is the Zoom Air pods. But, they only reduce energy loss, not create more energy. Their effect is also probably very minimal considering Nike decided not to implement them into their 5k-10k spikes even though they are in almost all their other new products. Compressed air has been around in shoes since the 90s. Again...nothing new.
These records are broken because of perfect pacing, good conditions, great training group of athletes that push each other. You should be asking WHY the women’s American 5k record was 14:34 when the world record is 14:11. That’s a greater margin than 12:37 to the American born record of 12:55. Athletes have more support now than they did ever before. Get over it.
mbhv wrote:
I watched this and just am being turned off of track. I guess I have to wrap my head around how much the shoes account for the improvement. We saw it in indoor, mile record broken on womens side, and these two performances as well is many others. It's where we are as a sport - basically - comparing records from 5 years ago and before and now just possible.
For a sport that relies so much on rankings and history comparison its kind of a turn off to follow.
Houilihan has “normal” spikes. Quit being such a whiner.
khorrps wrote:
maybe transfusions
The girl supposedly won’t even wear the pogo shoes because it’s unfair...but she’ll do “transfusions”? You’re pretty clueless.
the letter why wrote:
She's not suddenly a gold medal contender
In the 1500m she would be for sure.
pickles wrote:
khorrps wrote:
maybe transfusions
The girl supposedly won’t even wear the pogo shoes because it’s unfair...but she’ll do “transfusions”? You’re pretty clueless.
It’s funny that you think the shoes someone wears dictates whether they’re a drug cheat or not.
Not saying she is or isn’t, but that’s not evidence one way or another.
She’s a woman by the way, not a girl.
mbhv wrote:
I watched this and just am being turned off of track. I guess I have to wrap my head around how much the shoes account for the improvement. We saw it in indoor, mile record broken on womens side, and these two performances as well is many others. It's where we are as a sport - basically - comparing records from 5 years ago and before and now just possible.
For a sport that relies so much on rankings and history comparison its kind of a turn off to follow.
I'm not sure what the problem is. Houlihan is a 3:54 1500m runner. You would expect someone with that 1500m ability and good aerobic development to run around 14:25 for 5000m. What races like last nights' and Paris in 2012 and Brussels in 2018 show is what people are capable of when the pacing is right and the goal isn't to win but to run fast.
Well worth the $12.99
These times are obviously a joke, albeit a good one, as one would expect in the absence of real racing and testing. Hard to say exactly how much pharma and magic shoes take off, but neither of these women could run 14:45 clean and in pre-2019 footwear.
"You should be asking WHY the women’s American 5k record was 14:34 when the world record is 14:11."
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that people everywhere are blessed with the same inherent talent. If you trained a bunch of Eskimos for several generations at high altitude, etc., how many would get close to 12:37 or 14:11?