Stanford Cutting 11 of its 36 Varsity Sports

No one "saddled" said 23 year old with 50-100k in student loans. He willingly signed up for them. Why shouldn't he pay that back?

I have a friend that didn't go to college, started his own business, and is making good money in his early 20s. Guess what? No student loans.

david45 wrote:

ExcerciseSecondAmendmentRights wrote:

I'd like to see all athletic scholarships dumped. Go back to actual student-athletes.

Yet, most people believe college athletes should be paid

And I 100% agree with those who say that cept the people who should pay them are the professional sports leagues. University should be for students. And some of those students can play sports if they do choose.

D!ickHeadStoleMyHandle! wrote:

The entire university system in the US has been teetering for years now. Millions and millions of former students saddled with billions in debt. Asking kids and their families to pony up 30K-90K PER YEAR for an undergraduate education? GTFO! How has it even gotten this far?

I would hope that a silver lining from the destruction that will come from Corona will be a complete overhaul of certain aspects of our broken society. Billionaires on their way to trillions, bloated and brazenly corrupt corporate culture, bloated university systems, an entire economy reliant on consumer spending, it's all sh!t and needs massive overhauling.

I love what Stanford did and hope there's a lot more where that came from.

Truth.

The whole thing is a scam

18-20 year olds, not responsible enough to drink alcohol, plenty responsible to take on hundreds of thousands in unforgivable debt! #america

Ahead of the Curve wrote:

18-20 year olds, not responsible enough to drink alcohol, plenty responsible to take on hundreds of thousands in unforgivable debt! #america

Plenty of Americans either don't go to college or go to a community college/cheap state school to drastically minimize student loan debt. How can you explain that?

Ahead of the Curve wrote:

18-20 year olds, not responsible enough to drink alcohol, plenty responsible to take on hundreds of thousands in unforgivable debt! #america

That is an argument to lower the drinking age

So you dont want kids to get scholarships for track? That is an odd stance on a running website. You must have really sucked as a runner.

Man this is crazy to think about. I consider myself a fairly frugal person and have a strong desire and plan to become financially independent long before 65. But that requires a lifestyle that is considerably different than a lot of Americans (no new cars, avoiding car payments, saving over 50% of your paycheck, not upgrading living arrangements just cause I can afford it, etc.). It's a completely enjoyable lifestyle but to think that if the vast majority of people followed suit, the economy would be severely impacted is just kind of sick to think about. We're a country of crazy consumption.

Dr. DETROIT wrote:

So you dont want kids to get scholarships for track? That is an odd stance on a running website. You must have really sucked as a runner.

I did suck as a runner yes.

But I'm pretty smart and I think colleges should not dilute their academic levels to let in people who can run fast or kick a ball really hard.

You need a little work on reading; the sport is lightweight rowing not lightweight sailing. You can google what lightweight rowing is.

Rowing is as much a hobby sport as running is.

You really do not like capitalism do you?

The avg undergraduate student loan debt is just under $30K for state schools and just over $32K for private non-profit schools.

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The typical payment is $200-$300/month. A college grad will earn about $1M more in his/her life than a person without that degree. Seems like a great ROI!

Back to your issue with consumer economy. What country do you hold up as a great economical model we should follow?

What should we be allowed to spend money on? Can I only eat in my own home? Should I not own a computer or tv? Heck, can I spend money on the local 10K?

You make light of the boat example, but what do those people you would have out of work do? Maybe they could all be artists----but wait art would be discretionary spending so how would they make a living doing that?

What RichardHead with the stolen handle really wants is for everyone put out of work to become forced laborers on factory farms. The thought of anyone striking out on their own and making a living sickens RichardHead.

What's funny about these overpaid athletes. They don't realize how unstable the house of cards their professional sports industry is. If they can't figure out a way to stay profitable they won't be making millions to play children's games. And no one will care about their platforms and agendas.

To answer your question directly, capitalism without massive regulation and hard core enforcement of said regulation is little more than exploitation and corruption, purified. Unbridled capitalism leads to where we are now, a two class system with 98% wage slaves who enjoy zero stability and will have zero pension waiting for them when they are old, and somewhere in the vicinity of .5-2% gilded wealth who live in a completely different economy than the rest of their countrymen.

Capitalism as it has been practiced in the US since the 1960s? It is pure evil garbage. Great for a very, very thin slice at the very tippy top, pure pain, suffering and instability for everyone else. Wealth gains all concentrated at the top, life expectancy decreasing, hollowed out middle class, massive swaths of the service economy taken over by low paying gig labor. Open your damned eyes to see the reality.

You mark these words. Soon, all of those 98% who are becoming accustomed to unrest in the streets and have little stake in this garbage system, are going to get sick of terrible benefits, terrible expensive healthcare, no pension, essential gig work, and they are going to decide that if things don't change to be skewed a little more in the direction of a genuine middle class, they'll burn the whole thing down, and they'll take the gilded and all of their holdings with them when they do.

D!ickHeadStoleMyHandle!! wrote:

You mark these words. Soon, all of those 98% who are becoming accustomed to unrest in the streets and have little stake in this garbage system, are going to get sick of terrible benefits, terrible expensive healthcare, no pension, essential gig work, and they are going to decide that if things don't change to be skewed a little more in the direction of a genuine middle class, they'll burn the whole thing down, and they'll take the gilded and all of their holdings with them when they do.

That's right! And I'm headed right to the suburbs on day 1 and I'm looking for those houses where there are cars with 13.1 and 26.2 stuck next to the Ivy-League stickers. Those will be the first on my plunder list.

As a European, the whole notion of 'cutting' sports at a university baffles me.

Good catch...My Bad. I think sailing was listed as well.

Now, are you really comparing competitive running to competitive rowing? Seriously? When was the last time ANYONE set their DVR to watch Lightweight rowing? Do you know ANY lightweight rowers? .........(crickets). If I wanted to be a competitive Light Weight Rower where would I sign up? At the local YMCA swimming pool? Is there "Heavy Weight" rowing? Do they use a bigger boat? heavier oars? Where can I sign up for "Light Weight" running? Are there different weight classes like boxing?

FYI-

One of my favorite books is Boys in the Boat. You should read it.

"Go Run One"

Trollol. The US economy so regulated and will be moreso when Biden wins in November. Problem is the regulations are exploited so the top remain the top. The top are increasing wealth during COVID

ExcerciseSecondAmendmentRights wrote:

I'd like to see all athletic scholarships dumped. Go back to actual student-athletes.

Just some D1 football and men’s basketball should get paid. Essentially if you make your university lots of money you should get paid. Track ain’t make no money so nobody should even get a scholarship.