USA men’s 5k- hardest team to make for Tokyo?

I would say that the 800 would be harder to make:

Brazier, Murphy, Hopple.

Who would crack those 3? ALmost impossible for someone else to get in there.

Nigel Brunton +/- Nial Bruton wrote:

Lots of guns in this one:

True

Mead

Kincaid

Lomong

Hill

Fisher

Mcgorty

Chelimo

Kipchirchir

Will be a battle for top 3. Predictions?

Assuming all are healthy

Chelimo,

Jenkins

True

.... but if we were to get cheserek he would be a lock for me

daddy big bucks wrote:

It is one of the least competitive though. What if the US had 50 guys running 13:30 and nobody faster? You guys lost credibility and now are twisting the criteria.

My goodness, wtf is wrong with you people? I’m not looking for a fight. I’m looking for a discussion on who might make the us team next year with no clear favorite. Holy shît.

John Macardle wrote:

daddy big bucks wrote:

It is one of the least competitive though. What if the US had 50 guys running 13:30 and nobody faster? You guys lost credibility and now are twisting the criteria.

Yeah it is the opposite from hardest or more competitive. Maybe he was going for most parity, that’s the closest I’ll give the OP.

Insubordinate and churlish.

Then you shouldn't create a thread with an ncorrect argumentative title. Your headline was set up to make arguments of which event was the toughest to make. We are following that but now you want to play a different game of making arguments of who should make the 5k team. And now you are upset that we are following the rules and you are not.

1. Brazier

2. Centro

3. Korir

4. Lomong

As a believer in WINNING, I choose to put little weight into PRs and completely ignore any times ran in the recent BTC timetrials.

So I ask, who the hell is choosing McGorty or Fisher? They are absolutely unproven in championship races?

Put centro in a championship 5k and he puts 50m on them the last lap.

brahmamama wrote:

But we are talking about 5000m. I don’t buy that Rupp was some ungodly force at 5000m that makes the event so much weaker with his having moved on.

As far as I’m concerned you and I have been arguing over peak Rupp vs. peak Lomong at 5k. I would not say Rupp was an “ungodly force” or that the event is “so much weaker” without him. He did make 4 straight teams without much of a problem, though, and his 5k resume is clearly superior to Lomong’s.

I stated that Rupp ca. ‘12-‘14 was a better proven 5k runner than any of the current guys except Chelimo, & I stand by that 100%.

Having seen some of your rankings, I’m not particularly embarrassed to be seen disagreeing with you.

brahmamama wrote:

Having seen some of your rankings, I’m not particularly embarrassed to be seen disagreeing with you.

Yeah, well the jerk store called and they’re running out of you!

Bob schul country wrote:

I would say that the 800 would be harder to make:

Brazier, Murphy, Hopple.

Who would crack those 3? ALmost impossible for someone else to get in there.

This is a 5k thread, correct??

True has no chance. Mead has no chance.

daddy big bucks wrote:

Then you shouldn't create a thread with an ncorrect argumentative title. Your headline was set up to make arguments of which event was the toughest to make. We are following that but now you want to play a different game of making arguments of who should make the 5k team. And now you are upset that we are following the rules and you are not.

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

brahmamama wrote:

Having seen some of your rankings, I’m not particularly embarrassed to be seen disagreeing with you.

Yeah, well the jerk store called and they’re running out of you!

It’s shocking how people are just plain dîcks anymore, isn’t it?

brahmamama wrote:

But we are talking about 5000m. I don’t buy that Rupp was some ungodly force at 5000m that makes the event so much weaker with his having moved on.

Not ungodly, but he ran 13:08 or faster from 2010-2015. We haven't had many runners ever do that in the US (if any?).

He probably could have stretched it a few more years too, but he switched to the 10k and beyond.

brahmamama wrote:

NJ fan wrote:

In my opinion the 5k is actually the weakest it's been in a while. First time without both Rupp and Lagat since 2004

Rupp wasn’t as good as some of the current guys at 5000m.

Rupp was better than all of the current guys not named Paul Chelimo.

you're delusional wrote:

brahmamama wrote:

Rupp wasn’t as good as some of the current guys at 5000m.

Rupp was better than all of the current guys not named Paul Chelimo.

If Lomong beats his PR this week will you still feel the same?

Probably not because Rupp has also run 26:44

“at 5000m”

brahmamama wrote:

you're delusional wrote:

Rupp was better than all of the current guys not named Paul Chelimo.

If Lomong beats his PR this week will you still feel the same?

Lomong's pr was in a perfectly paced 5000 and he didn't destroy the miler and lost to the guy who refused to lead a championship race. He was paced 4600m by a clearly sub 13 shape Mo ahmed.

Ironically also if I remember correctly Rupp's 12:58 was against Bekele or Gebremeskel or someone of that caliber and he was dragged to the time. Difference between him and lomong is that he has world final exploits in which he performed better. He performs better even in time trials. (rupp certified lol) 3:50, 12:58,26:44 Ben true has also had some good years but I would argue that he has almost always been a better 5k runner than lomong.

I would also put Jenkins ahead of Lomong but injury has seemed to hold him back at times but when he is healthy he always seems to be on the rise. Outside of that Lomong is a very strong runner just hasn't really seemed to ever have one true event that he is clearly better at.

Regardless I put Lomong, Mead, True all in the same tier. All good enough to have a perfect race and take it maybe 1-10 times against Chelimo.

I would be on the watch for Mcgorty, Fisher, and Hunter. Bowerman has the best training group in america so they will benefit from that but Hunter has steadily been making progress as well and we could argue that none of them are in their prime age range for 5000m just yet.