Emma Stoned wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
Basically every WR and every elite PR ever run.
Those are in race conditions though. This would be in a time trial
There have been plenty of "races" that were set up as time trials, and all of those that resulted in phenomenal times were.....wait for it.....positive split.
under a bridge wrote:
Emma Stoned wrote:
Those are in race conditions though. This would be in a time trial
There have been plenty of "races" that were set up as time trials, and all of those that resulted in phenomenal times were.....wait for it.....positive split.
Donovan can break the curse! I believe in him!
does anyone have a better stride and running form as Rudisha? I usually dgaf about that stuff but the guy looked perfect running. Love Brazier. He's faster than Rudisha but I don't think there's anyway he breaks the record. He'll need Amos to be in 1:41 shape and go out like he always does lol.
VroomVroom wrote:
does anyone have a better stride and running form as Rudisha? I usually dgaf about that stuff but the guy looked perfect running. Love Brazier. He's faster than Rudisha but I don't think there's anyway he breaks the record. He'll need Amos to be in 1:41 shape and go out like he always does lol.
Wilson Kipketer has the greatest running form of all time. Hey Rudisha had that Juantorena like stride but Kipketer at his peak looked like he was doing fresh strideouts running 1.42's
VroomVroom wrote:
He's faster than Rudisha but I don't think there's anyway he breaks the record.
wut
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
VroomVroom wrote:
does anyone have a better stride and running form as Rudisha? I usually dgaf about that stuff but the guy looked perfect running. Love Brazier. He's faster than Rudisha but I don't think there's anyway he breaks the record. He'll need Amos to be in 1:41 shape and go out like he always does lol.
Wilson Kipketer has the greatest running form of all time. Hey Rudisha had that Juantorena like stride but Kipketer at his peak looked like he was doing fresh strideouts running 1.42's
EPO is a wonderful drug.
I will disagree and say that I think Amos is the most talented 800m runner ever.
He has run exceptionally fast times and achieved much in his career despite his lack of motivation, focus, training and desire.
Unfortunately, that has meant that he continues to neglect working on aspects such as his form, and has injury issues which might be related to a lack of conditioning.
But Amos, on the right day, can run 1:40.
And again, happy on agreeing to disagree but mental application (that I guess covers all the things you mentioned) is part of an athletes talent. So for me you have to tick all the boxes.
I guess you could then say just physical talent but I can't say this looking at his running form. I don't want to make this about something else but I still don't quite understand how this guy has run under 1.42 -especially when I look collectively at the other athletes that have. Let's leave it at that,
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
And again, happy on agreeing to disagree but mental application (that I guess covers all the things you mentioned) is part of an athletes talent. So for me you have to tick all the boxes.
I guess you could then say just physical talent but I can't say this looking at his running form. I don't want to make this about something else but I still don't quite understand how this guy has run under 1.42 -especially when I look collectively at the other athletes that have. Let's leave it at that,
Simple. Physiologists state empirical evidence demonstrates 800m performance correlates stronger with 400m performance than 1500m performance. Nijel Amos clearly is the fastest 400m athlete of all sub-1:42 800m athletes.
Sapel wrote:
You guys are forgetting Cruz, who was better than Coe.
I think Brazier can most definitely threaten 1:40.8-1:40.9 WR. I think he may give it a shot later this summer in an exhibition all-out attempt. Kid is on another planet right now.
Cruz had 3 or 4 attempts in 84 and then again in 85, at the peak end - August- of the season, with more drafting than Coe got in his WR, and a group around the 1:42/1:43 mark pushing him all the way, and he still didn't break Coe's record. If Coe ran a 1:41.7 running wide on a bend in early June, then he was clearly capable of faster. Cruz beat Coe in LA, but that wasn't the same Coe as he'd been in 81. So no, peak Cruz wasn't better than peak Coe.
I actually think Coe in 79 was as good or if not better than he was in Florence 81. In his 1st WR he ran the most ridiculously fast 3rd 200m (24.6!) - 24.6, 26.2, 24.6, 26.9. Those 2 changes in pace is not the way to run to your full potential. He was capable of 1:41 then, 2 years before he broke the 1:42 barrier.
Brazier may threaten Rudisha's WR, but how much of that will be down to his prototype Nike spikes. If he had the same spikes as Coe and Cruz wore, would he be as fast as them? I doubt it.
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
And again, happy on agreeing to disagree but mental application (that I guess covers all the things you mentioned) is part of an athletes talent. So for me you have to tick all the boxes.
I guess you could then say just physical talent but I can't say this looking at his running form. I don't want to make this about something else but I still don't quite understand how this guy has run under 1.42 -especially when I look collectively at the other athletes that have. Let's leave it at that,
Totally agree.
Welsh Wizard wrote:
Sapel wrote:
You guys are forgetting Cruz, who was better than Coe.
I think Brazier can most definitely threaten 1:40.8-1:40.9 WR. I think he may give it a shot later this summer in an exhibition all-out attempt. Kid is on another planet right now.
Cruz had 3 or 4 attempts in 84 and then again in 85, at the peak end - August- of the season, with more drafting than Coe got in his WR, and a group around the 1:42/1:43 mark pushing him all the way, and he still didn't break Coe's record. If Coe ran a 1:41.7 running wide on a bend in early June, then he was clearly capable of faster. Cruz beat Coe in LA, but that wasn't the same Coe as he'd been in 81. So no, peak Cruz wasn't better than peak Coe.
I actually think Coe in 79 was as good or if not better than he was in Florence 81. In his 1st WR he ran the most ridiculously fast 3rd 200m (24.6!) - 24.6, 26.2, 24.6, 26.9. Those 2 changes in pace is not the way to run to your full potential. He was capable of 1:41 then, 2 years before he broke the 1:42 barrier.
Brazier may threaten Rudisha's WR, but how much of that will be down to his prototype Nike spikes. If he had the same spikes as Coe and Cruz wore, would he be as fast as them? I doubt it.
Agreed. It's a shame Coe got injured after his Zurich 1500 WR in 79, as he was planning on attacking his own 800m WR in Brussels. His WR attempt over 800m in 81 was always planned for Oslo in July, but when he put the record out of sight a month earlier, their wasn't the same incentive to do it again in Oslo. There just wasn't the same focus on the circuit then to repeatedly run near WR times throughout the season; nor the need to when only one other athlete broke 1:44 (Marajo - 1:43.9) between the Europeans in 78 and the Worlds in 83.
UATC wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
I think it's more likely that Brazier never runs faster than his current PR than him breaking the WR. But he definitely has a shot.
I’ve been saying this too, something about the 800m at major championships that brings out the best in the competitors. No one in the 2012 Olympic final has improved their PR, Murphy & MacDaddy haven’t improved on their PRs from the 2016 Olympic final (I’ll admit MacDaddy is a bad example due to his under racing)
Very true.
Let's also remember something.
From that crazy race of 2012, where Osagie trailed but still ran 1:43- a PR, NOBODY returned to Rio de Janeiro (2016 Olympics) except the master!
The master did it!
bulbasaur wrote:
Agree or disagree? I could see 1:41 from Brazier but 1:40?
IT is good to dream.
No, he won't do it!
WWRD wrote:
bulbasaur wrote:
Agree or disagree? I could see 1:41 from Brazier but 1:40?
Possibly, but not likely. To sit here and assuredly say that Brazier WILL beat Rudisha's record is to disrespect Rudisha's greatness. He was unbeatable. His WR was a front running, solo effort, that showed gargantuan balls. So the next good 800 runner is just going to walk in and knock that off? Not likely.
For the record, I hope he does...Merica'!
Well said.
Brazier WILL NOT.
I truly hope Brazier reads this, gets angry and goes out to prove us wrong.
I think Brazier will end up breaking the WR. But I also think people are sleeping on Emmanuel Korir. Dude ran 1:42.05 when he was healthy but then got injured. Now he can’t race the rounds like guys like Brazier, but he has the foot speed to do something special in a race like Monaco. Split 43 high in college at the regional 4x4 and soloed a 1:43 on college at Berkeley with no competition, running the 2nd lap in 51 something.
Wilson Kipketer 1997 WR:
23.0, 25, 26, 27
48.1
1:14.1
1:41.25
Let’s not forget:
douglas burke wrote:
There is a kid in Great Britain who MIGHT get the Record as well, Max Burgin, I heard he is much better than Sebastian Coe was at the same age, and is expected to break Coe's 1:41.73 for 800 and Farah's 3:28.81 Great Britain National Records, Max Burgin ran 1:45.36 in a low key race with no competition, he is 16 or 17 years old now, he has not got to run this year (Like Most People).
This kid is probably the most talented runner out there at the moment. He broke the 1:50 barrier not long after his 15th birthday. Ran 1:45.3 at just turned 17. If he can stay injury free, it would be more surprising to NOT see him beat Coe's times. He's 18 at the moment but of course we haven't seen him in action this year. He'll be 19 next May. What will he run then? 1:43? Maybe even faster?
Saying brazier will definitely break the 800m world record is like saying a 23 yo 43.8 400m runner will definitely break the 400m world record on the basis that he looks good and ran a good 800m time trial. He has what, only cut down a little over a second since his freshman year of college? We are guaranteeing for him to cut off even more over the rest of his career? My prediction would be that he finished career with maybe a 1:41.6 PR, if everything goes perfectly but I'd say a little higher than that is probably more likely.