Vaporflies no faster than trainers after less than 200 miles

I wonder if traction was a major factor as the Peg37 has great traction and a VF4 with 200 miles won't have good traction.

Because, while I believe the ZoomX probably is largely dead after that distance, it's still a 200 gram shoe vs a 300 gram shoe. Seems crazy that the ZoomX would die so much as to effectively add 100 grams.

I have VF4% with 260 miles in them and they are still feel much better than my favorite trainers for the long run, still have some of that pop and much lighter. Traction and stability on gravel sucks, though.

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I wonder if traction was a major factor as the Peg37 has great traction and a VF4 with 200 miles won't have good traction.

Because, while I believe the ZoomX probably is largely dead after that distance, it's still a 200 gram shoe vs a 300 gram shoe. Seems crazy that the ZoomX would die so much as to effectively add 100 grams.

I doubt traction is an issue for any running shoe on a dry track for a mile.

The Pegasus 37 has forefoot airbags (springs) like the Alphafly, so there is that.

I imagine the level of deterioration in the VF's has a lot to do with the weight of the runner. I have a friend who is 5.2 and about 100 pounds who claims at 400 miles his VF's still have pop. I'm 6.0 and 160. I have 250 on mine and they are about done. Still a nice cushioned shoe, but the pop is gone. Also think heel strikers get more benefit from the shoe, but will also wear them out more quickly. My anecdotal thoughts only.

I know a 2.20 guy who doesn't manage to get over 100 miles in these.... basically a race and few sessions in the run up to the next one

I'm sure after 200 miles they are no longer anywhere near as effective but in a race the difference in weight has got to make a difference. I'd rather run in a dead VF than run in a 6oz traditional racer.

Peg 37's are light years more advanced than Pegs of 15-20 years ago. Are those considered cheat shoes too?

250 on mine. 165, 5’11. Can confirm, no pop left. Also, I still wear them superstitiously on workouts I need a confidence boost for. Why not incorporate placebo into your training?

6ft 185 pounds heel striker. Half marathon at 1:48 to 1:52 range

( old and slow ) I always thought the foam was too soft for my weight

even when the shoes were new. I'd say mine were done at less than 200 miles.

Still comfortable but lost the cushion in the heel area.

VF are better for heel strikers.

Think DK in his world record. That scared the crap out of Nike, and opened their eyes to stack height.

Toe strikers benefit less from the shoe, which makes these ultra-fast times quite interesting. But, they can also ruin 'toe' strikers - see Rupp.

I'm 6-3 195 lbs and ran 2:39:15 last year. All I got out of them was one race and maybe another 40 miles and the VF were done.

For me they definitely lose there pop by 175-200 miles (foam loses energy return and maybe plate flattens out?), but are still cushioned and light enough to use for 250-300 miles. At around 150 miles I ran a sub 73 half in sub freezing temps and they felt pretty good.

When they had 250 ish miles on them I did a long fast run WO of 26.3 with 22 miles at 10% slower than MP , so about a 2:45-2:46 marathon with the WU and CD included and my legs felt fine. Definitely lacked the pop of a fresher pair, but cushioned enough to go through 26.2 miles.

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I don't think their test is a good way to go about this. The stride footpod measures acceleration to determine power. If the shoes provide more energy return, their acceleration should be higher, and the pod should register a higher wattage. Basically, the pod can't separate wattage from speed. At least, as long as you maintain the same form. Stride does claim to be able to separate out power lost to vertical movement.

I think they lose a bit around 100, lose a lot by 200, are dead and no better than a trainer by 300. 6’0, 150

As a heavy-ish (175 lb.) but still kinda quick hobby jogger, I generally have trouble agreeing with many claims on the feel and life of shoes. For example, I know people wear the Adidas Adios up to the marathon, but I did some long runs and a half marathon in the Adidas Boston and even those felt a bit too minimal for distances over 10 miles. I could easily see these shoes and similar shoes having a shorter life for the heavier runner.