America is a failed state because it doesn't have universal healthcare

wrong... Why do foreigners flock to USA for advanced medical treatments? Because medical research is more advanced here than the rest of the world thanks to capitalism, saving precious lives that otherwise would die in their home country. Wait times for both life saving and less serious treatments are almost nonexistent thanks to a private insurance sector that works directly with Drs and hospitals for the most efficient system to be implemented.

Coronavirus cases are higher here simply due to both higher and more accurate testing being performed than the rest of the world thanks to our technologically superior medical system. And guess what? Most people testing positive now are healthy individuals with little to no symptoms proving that the virus is not as lethal as the fake news media will have you believe.

money machines wrote:

wrong... Why do foreigners flock to USA for advanced medical treatments? Because medical research is more advanced here than the rest of the world thanks to capitalism, saving precious lives that otherwise would die in their home country. Wait times for both life saving and less serious treatments are almost nonexistent thanks to a private insurance sector that works directly with Drs and hospitals for the most efficient system to be implemented.

Coronavirus cases are higher here simply due to both higher and more accurate testing being performed than the rest of the world thanks to our technologically superior medical system. And guess what? Most people testing positive now are healthy individuals with little to no symptoms proving that the virus is not as lethal as the fake news media will have you believe.

Rich people come to the US for advanced medical treatment. But they also go to Europe.

The US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world with the most unhealthy population in return.

For the average Joe the US health system is very expensive and inefficient. People go bankrupt just because they were ill. But that is something that Fox"news" is not telling you.

Western society will collapse because of the corrupting of academia, science and medicine to corporate and belief-based interests.

Wiki Pedia wrote:

Rich people come to the US for advanced medical treatment. But they also go to Europe.

The US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world with the most unhealthy population in return.

For the average Joe the US health system is very expensive and inefficient. People go bankrupt just because they were ill. But that is something that Fox"news" is not telling you.

Lolol oh boy. Where is your evidence that health problems in the US are due to insurance companies, and not lifestyle choices? The most common ailments in the US are all preventable, lifestyle-related diseases (such as type 2 diabetes, heart attacks, coronary artery disease, smoking-related ailments) that would exist whether we paid the government or private insurance for our healthcare. You're living in lalaland.

money machines wrote:

wrong... Why do foreigners flock to USA for advanced medical treatments? Because medical research is more advanced here than the rest of the world thanks to capitalism, saving precious lives that otherwise would die in their home country. Wait times for both life saving and less serious treatments are almost nonexistent thanks to a private insurance sector that works directly with Drs and hospitals for the most efficient system to be implemented.

Coronavirus cases are higher here simply due to both higher and more accurate testing being performed than the rest of the world thanks to our technologically superior medical system. And guess what? Most people testing positive now are healthy individuals with little to no symptoms proving that the virus is not as lethal as the fake news media will have you believe.

This is definitely not true. Foreigners in the USA go home for medical treatments because the health care quality is just as good but much less expensive. I’ve known people from Iran and Jordan that delayed medical treatments until they went home so that they didn’t have to pay so much in the USA.

money machines wrote:

wrong... Why do foreigners flock to USA for advanced medical treatments? Because medical research is more advanced here than the rest of the world thanks to capitalism, saving precious lives that otherwise would die in their home country. Wait times for both life saving and less serious treatments are almost nonexistent thanks to a private insurance sector that works directly with Drs and hospitals for the most efficient system to be implemented.

Coronavirus cases are higher here simply due to both higher and more accurate testing being performed than the rest of the world thanks to our technologically superior medical system. And guess what? Most people testing positive now are healthy individuals with little to no symptoms proving that the virus is not as lethal as the fake news media will have you believe.

More than a million Americans leave the country every year to get medical treatment.

Sure you guys have SOME of the best treatment facilities in the world. But they aren't cheap either. People going to the USA for health care is something for the upper class only.

And efficiency? You spend more per capita than all other developed nations, and have poorer outcomes.

Medical care in the US is by far the best in the world, assuming you are in the 1%, preferably the .5%. Otherwise, your medical care is heinously expensive, unpredictable, freighted with deductibles, co-pays and co-insurance even for the well-insured, and generally a frightening sh!t-show if you need anything more than the most basic care.

I have excellent healthcare, and I have employment and yet I live with constant nagging anxiety about what would happen to my family if one of us required advanced medical care. If you aren't in the .5%, a health emergency or chronic illness could easily bankrupt you and ruin your life in the US. Those of you who don't fully understand that are deluded.

I would happily trade my insurance and coverage for universal coverage, and would happily pay quite a bit more overall per month to guard against ever having to worry about a medical situation ruining my family, and to live in a country that covers everyone else too. Those who feel different are deluded or selfish jerk-0ffs IMO.

Universal care is coming. Get on board or get TF out of the way. Don't like it? I don't care. The capitalists, .5%ers and freedumb lovers are not going to be allowed to keep this country down much longer.

America, where you have the freedom to......work your tail off for crumbs and then drop dead.

money machines wrote:

wrong... Why do foreigners flock to USA for advanced medical treatments? Because medical research is more advanced here than the rest of the world thanks to capitalism, saving precious lives that otherwise would die in their home country. Wait times for both life saving and less serious treatments are almost nonexistent thanks to a private insurance sector that works directly with Drs and hospitals for the most efficient system to be implemented.

Coronavirus cases are higher here simply due to both higher and more accurate testing being performed than the rest of the world thanks to our technologically superior medical system. And guess what? Most people testing positive now are healthy individuals with little to no symptoms proving that the virus is not as lethal as the fake news media will have you believe.

I addressed why some wealthy foreigners flock to U.S. for medical treatment January, February and maybe month of March.

Ask medical doctors about Mayo Clinic. Usually the best medical doctors like to live somewhere near profession sports, orchestras, professional ballet, theater, etc. Usually the best medical doctors have highly educated wives. Usually those highly educated wives if the medical doctor is a male want to send their kids to best schools in the state. The best schools are usually in or near large cities. Why would the best doctors want to live in Rochester, Minnesota? Mayo Clinic, Cidars-Sinai and other big name hospitals remind me of theatre Goldman-Sachs creates. Last I checked, Goldman-Sachs has $10 million asset minimum for clients. Truth: Goldman-Sachs employees do not know why equities & bonds go up & down more than anyone else on Wall Street. Some foreigners think it is better to have eye surgery or skin surgery performed by a medical doctor who earns $1.25 million annually. Dermatologists & Opthalmologists in U.S. earn so much due to a quirk in Medicare and private health insurance billing. There is no evidence U.S. medical doctors are more intelligent than European medical doctors. Doctors in Europe do not pay tuition K through medical school. It's a different system in Europe.

I see no problem. If you don't work, you don't deserve medical care. Evolution is for the strong to survive. If all deadbeats died before reproducing, imagine what the world would be like in 50 years. Libs want the world to be cleaner. Fewer people is the best way to accomplish that.

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A petri dish of ignorance. People too scared to visit the hospital because of something no universal healthcare country has....... a deductible.

A penalty for needing medical assistance. Americans accept this, year after year. And you have the worst healthcare outcomes because of it. And covid19.

Please, do the world a solid and stay put. Right where you are... Don't leave.

Medical care is not "unviersal." Only the need for it is. It is not a ubiquitous or naturally occurring element like water. Man has to create the skills, knowledge, products, services, to delivery healthcare at great expense. Creating healthcare is no different that creating food on farms or cars in factories. It is economic activity that individuals pursue for profit. The more a country regulates and subsidizes medical care, the fewer new sources of it come into existence. The price controls of socialism destroy investment in new treatments. All throughout the world, the quality of medical care is abysmal by the standard of what is possible in a unregulated, private market. Observe that medicine is incapable of curing almost any serious disease. There has been almost no innovation in decades, and even the cost of the low quality of care that is available is beyond the average person's means. People who think socialism is somehow enlightened are the most delusional and destructive f*cks out there. You think it's barbaric that you have to pay for medical care? So doctors and nurses are your servants, and you somehow expect investors to pour billions of dollars into drug development with no expectation of profit, just as an altruistic service to you? F*CK OFF ANTI CAPITALIST SCUM. PAY FOR YOUR MEDICAL CARE OR GO WITHOUT!

Unhinged rant from a know-nothing. Mark my words. Young people are no longer cowed into fear about socialism and the US has screwed over its people to the point that socialism looks pretty good to many of them. Universal healthcare and many other structural changes are coming. whether freedumb lovers like it or not. If you are wealthy, you are in for a shock. If you believe you'll inherit wealth, you are in for a shock. Market activity, wealth, capital gains, The People are coming for all of it. Change is coming, mouth breathing freedumb lovers. Get with the program or GTF out of the way.

Yes, Bernie was correct.

LOL.

I’m going to assume that you haven’t worked in healthcare in this country, and I’m almost certain you’ve never worked at a public or community hospital (which exist in basically every metropolitan area in the U.S). People with no money are given tens of thousands of dollars worth of treatment every day with no expectation of pay. You can be homeless and check yourself into an ER at a local public hospital and they cannot deny you care—homeless people do this every single day. Preventative care is not accessible for all, yes, but hospital care is completely different. Your claim is misleading, borderline untrue

Foreigners flock to America, leaving their countries permanently, to ditch their superior universal healthcare schemes for America's for-profit deathcare petri dish?

Nobody moves to America for healthcare. Zero. Ever. They stay in the developed world where public safety exists.

Universal Healthcare countries pay 8-10% of GDP annually on healthcare.

America pays 18% for the covid19 gold medal and worse healthcare outcomes across the board.

Yet, here you are..... thinking that paying a dollar to the government is somehow MORE than paying two dollars to a corporation. Ding dong.

And THIS is why you lead in covid19 and pay more for healthcare than every country on earth for that distinction.

America is a failed state that does not have universal healthcare because it pays for the military defense of the NATO countries, Japan, South Korea, etc.

Yeah, sure, being homeless and uninsured are great ways to go through life. Free medical care at an ER triage! Who doesn't like that idea? Only in the US would someone argue that somehow that is a reasonable substitute for universal care. Jesus Effing Christ. BIG changes coming or The People are going to be in the streets.

VAboi wrote:

LOL.

I’m going to assume that you haven’t worked in healthcare in this country, and I’m almost certain you’ve never worked at a public or community hospital (which exist in basically every metropolitan area in the U.S). People with no money are given tens of thousands of dollars worth of treatment every day with no expectation of pay. You can be homeless and check yourself into an ER at a local public hospital and they cannot deny you care—homeless people do this every single day. Preventative care is not accessible for all, yes, but hospital care is completely different. Your claim is misleading, borderline untrue

developed world = flattened the curve wrote:

A petri dish of ignorance. People too scared to visit the hospital because of something no universal healthcare country has....... a deductible.

A penalty for needing medical assistance. Americans accept this, year after year. And you have the worst healthcare outcomes because of it. And covid19.

Please, do the world a solid and stay put. Right where you are... Don't leave.

Unfortunately, a lack of universal healthcare has very little to do with why COVID-19 numbers are so high here. The real reasons are far more nuanced than that.

But feel free to blame it on the lack of universal healthcare - because that's an easy cop-out sort of answer that will no doubt win the White House for whichever candidate repeats this mantra the loudest.

Maybe the inconvenient truth is that the culture of the US is extremely individualistic and self-interested. But that sort of slogan doesn't run well in the election cycle.

Anyway, I guess we're all stuck here anyway, as no one wants us to visit their countries anymore.

It's so simple! You're a genius! That's all there is to it!. I can't believe we never realized this. What an epiphany.

140 million Americans have either Medicare or Medicaid. Over 40 percent of the population.

Only 8 percent of Americans don't have health insurance. So all of Americas problems will be solved by insuring 8 percent of people. Got it.