Wilson Kipsang banned for 4 years

that entire list should have red lines crossing out the names

usain bolt was the dirtiest drugs cheat in track and field history

he made ben johnson look like an angel

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are misrepresenting it.

He can't help himself. Here is, yet again, another lying cheat busted for a couple of anti-doping rule violations, banned for four years, so predictably rekrunner comes to the rescue and tries to make the cheat look good. Well, "tries" is more accurate.

Wet Coast wrote:

Salazar has been banned.

No athletes banned. Just who was Alberto Salazar doping? Himself?

The lying evidence presented in this and other current cases in Kenya implies to me that such was the norm and the lies freely accepted if not even asked for.

We saw that same in the case that has caused Russia to be banned

There is a decade or longer when Wada created the most massive uneven playing field as the “West” by and large had their authorities complying and the rest of the world bribing and covering up.

So predictable but now so clear.

Pre Wada we did knew who the best were as the playing field was even.

Armstronglivs wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I remind everyone that a "Whereabouts failure" is a non-doping anti-doping rule violation.

It is an administrative failure, or a coordination failure.

"Tampering " with the process, in this case, is also a non-doping anti-doping rule violation.

You are misrepresenting it. A whereabouts failure is not an administrative failure, as such, otherwise the accumulation of three of them could not be construed as a doping violation. Tampering with the process is also construed as a doping violation. This is because avoiding tests and tampering with the process are actions taken by dopers to avoid being caught.

Neither of these are, nor can be construed as, "doping violations".

These are more correctly called rule violations, because they are spelled out in the rules.

Three administrative failures can lead to a rule violation.

This is true for both dopers and non-dopers.

rekrunner wrote:

Neither of these are, nor can be construed as, "doping violations".

These are more correctly called rule violations, because they are spelled out in the rules.

The correct wording is anti-doping rule violations, see for example Reuters:

Former marathon world record holder Wilson Kipsang of Kenya has been handed a four-year ban for anti-doping rule violations (ADRVs) that included using a fake photo of a traffic accident to justify one of four missed whereabouts appointments, the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) said on Friday.

It's common practice to shorten "anti-doping rule violations" to "doping violations", but naturally you prefer "rule violations" and then "administrative failures" without a source, falsely implying a minor offense. Yet the four year ban speaks for itself.

John NY wrote:

say whatt wrote:

What a shock; yet another in the long-long-long list of nike doping cheaters.

You don't really follow the sport, do you?

Lance Armstrong

ARod

Peyton Manning

Julian Edelman

Mary Decker

Alberto Salazar

Regina Jacobs

Galen Rupp

Matt Centrowitz

Paula Radcliffe

Jordan Hasay

Mo Farah

Shannon Rowbury

Mariya Savinova

Maria Sharapova

Marion Jones

Justin Gatlin

Tiger Woods

Carl Lewis

FloJo

Serena Williams

Christiano Ronaldo

Wilson Kipsang

Barry Bonds

Jason Giambi

Yevgeniya Zinurova

And hundreds more nike doping cheaters. It's the culture of nike; idolizing Rapist Kobe, Pedophile JoePa, doper Lance, jerk of the century AlSal.

casual obsever wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are misrepresenting it.

He can't help himself. Here is, yet again, another lying cheat busted for a couple of anti-doping rule violations, banned for four years, so predictably rekrunner comes to the rescue and tries to make the cheat look good. Well, "tries" is more accurate.

On the contrary, calling them "doping violations" misrepresented it.

It's also a misrepresentation to suggest I'm trying to make a "lying cheat" look good.

My comments were about well-defined terms we can find in the WADA code.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Neither of these are, nor can be construed as, "doping violations".

These are more correctly called rule violations, because they are spelled out in the rules.

The correct wording is anti-doping rule violations, see for example Reuters:

Former marathon world record holder Wilson Kipsang of Kenya has been handed a four-year ban for anti-doping rule violations (ADRVs) that included using a fake photo of a traffic accident to justify one of four missed whereabouts appointments, the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) said on Friday.

It's common practice to shorten "anti-doping rule violations" to "doping violations", but naturally you prefer "rule violations" and then "administrative failures" without a source, falsely implying a minor offense. Yet the four year ban speaks for itself.

I first used the phrase "non-doping anti-doping rule violation", which is even more correct.

Common practice in this case is inaccurate.

I did not say or imply the violations were minor.

When we are talking about a failure to submit information by a deadline, yes, I prefer "administrative failure" to "doping violation", because it is more accurate.

When we are talking about a failure to be where you said you would be in a 1 hour time window, I prefer to call this a "coordination failure" rather than a "doping violation", for the same reason.

The combination of three failures in a year, although it creates a "rule violation", does not create a "doping violation".

El Keniano wrote:

Wet Coast wrote:

Salazar has been banned.

No athletes banned. Just who was Alberto Salazar doping? Himself?

After a lengthy investigation and adjudication, we can safely say he was doping himself, with a prescription, and his sons.

rekrunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are misrepresenting it. A whereabouts failure is not an administrative failure, as such, otherwise the accumulation of three of them could not be construed as a doping violation. Tampering with the process is also construed as a doping violation. This is because avoiding tests and tampering with the process are actions taken by dopers to avoid being caught.

Neither of these are, nor can be construed as, "doping violations".

These are more correctly called rule violations, because they are spelled out in the rules.

Three administrative failures can lead to a rule violation.

This is true for both dopers and non-dopers.

Semantics. You fail to understand what the rule infractions mean. If they don't amount to doping violations then why are the penalties typically the same as for a confirmed positive test? You don't get 4 years for technicalities. Essentially, the combined rule infractions are taken as an inference that an athlete has doped. And they will have. There is no other reason for avoiding a series of consecutive tests.

I understand "precisely" what the rule violations mean.

The severe penalties serve as a deterrent, in order to ensure rule compliance.

"Whereabouts Failures" are not a finding of "avoiding" tests, but of "missing" tests (and/or filing failures).

And these are not findings, or even inferences of, doping.

Mate I’m not even sure I believe Paula Radcliffe was clean either,her record was such an outlier for so long.

rekrunner wrote:

I did not say or imply the violations were minor.

And yet, all the expressions you prefer (namely "administrative failure", "coordination failure", "rule violation") all sound a lot less severe than the actual infractions, which are officially "anti-doping rule violations" including "tampering". Coincidence? LOL, no, this downplaying is your usual pattern, for you love defending cheats.

There is also no need to put lying cheat into quotation marks, as his lies and cheating have been officially confirmed. Yes I know, you prefer "athlete" over (banned!) lying cheat - see above.

Kipsang was an adidas athlete.

Go home devastated, please.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I did not say or imply the violations were minor.

And yet, all the expressions you prefer (namely "administrative failure", "coordination failure", "rule violation") all sound a lot less severe than the actual infractions, which are officially "anti-doping rule violations" including "tampering". Coincidence? LOL, no, this downplaying is your usual pattern, for you love defending cheats.

There is also no need to put lying cheat into quotation marks, as his lies and cheating have been officially confirmed. Yes I know, you prefer "athlete" over (banned!) lying cheat - see above.

Since these are all accurate expressions, describing the infractions, they should sound as severe as they are.

Filing on time is serious.

Being available for testing is serious.

Cooperating with the anti-doping process is serious.

But, these serious offenses shouldn't be played up to be something they are not.

streak wrote:

Should we now consider Kipchoge to have a perfect marathon win record? Kipsang is the only one to have beaten him.

So Kipchoge is clean?????

broken arrow wrote:

streak wrote:

Should we now consider Kipchoge to have a perfect marathon win record? Kipsang is the only one to have beaten him.

So Kipchoge is clean?????

who knows...but in one page this thread has been rekked....dear lord its beyond annoying. give it up gary. at least el k finally had to shut up his rants and accept that doping in kenya is really bad. why do you come to this site anyway? shouldnt you be rioting or complaining about white privilege in portland or something gary? lolz your bullsh*t never ends does it?

or maybe you are some russian troll that is trying to downplay doping in order to get back into the sport...

About 90 Americans have been banned for performance-enhancing drugs over the years.

Also, whoever said that out-of-competition testing in Kenya was common in the 1990s, no it wasn't. It wasn't until recently that a WADA approved lab was even set up in Kenya.

They are being tested much more now and are getting caught. It is not a race thing because almost all of the top sprinters have been caught, who are almost exclusively black.

It is not a nation thing because people from all over the world are being caught.

The thing with Kenya and Ethiopia is that there was this purity thing sold to the world: live close to the earth, run to school and back all through childhood, eat simple and healthy and live at elevation.

That is apparently not enough. many of the top Kenyans are getting caught for EPO or some other PED. Kipsang was honoured similar to Kipchoge until Kipchoge came along.

It is even more difficult to get into Ethiopia with testing equipment.

When a Kenyan athletes or any third-world athletes has an opportunity to set themselves up for life with a major marathon win, getting caught is not as big a deal because WADA, the race, nor the rightful prize winner will be able to get the prize money back.

It's a joke.

Another issue is if your doping control officers in Kenya are Kenyan, then they are prone to extortion because it is a corrupt society more than Europe and North America.

The doping control officers should not be Kenyan.