Typical argument is that kneeling is bad during the anthem because it disrespects the flag.
The offending kneeler would respond "bro listen bro it aint even about the flag, it never was. You just don't get it"
Ok well I must not get it, because that logic is a non-starter for me. If its not about the flag, why'd you select the 2 mins 30 secs during the anthem to kneel?
Couldnt we move this to the first 10 seconds of the 4th quarter, or maybe during half time in the locker room?
Why do I have to sit thru the national anthem after I have shelled out hundreds of dollars to view a sporting event?
Giles Corey wrote:
Why do I have to sit thru the national anthem after I have shelled out hundreds of dollars to view a sporting event?
NFL games for week 1 will also be playing the Black National Anthem before the Star Spangled Banner. So, good luck with that one.
Don’t try logic with liberals, it won’t work.
Giles Corey wrote:
Why do I have to sit thru the national anthem after I have shelled out hundreds of dollars to view a sporting event?
That is a good question, Giles. I’m not resentful but when it really comes down to it why are we saluting the flag and playing the national anthem right before two multimillion dollar corporations face off against each other in a game as if we’re all doing something patriotic. In fact, in a way it makes it seem as those taking the opportunity to advocate for social change are the adults on the field.
ohiaaa wrote:
Typical argument is that kneeling is bad during the anthem because it disrespects the flag.
The offending kneeler would respond "bro listen bro it aint even about the flag, it never was. You just don't get it"
Ok well I must not get it, because that logic is a non-starter for me. If its not about the flag, why'd you select the 2 mins 30 secs during the anthem to kneel?
Couldnt we move this to the first 10 seconds of the 4th quarter, or maybe during half time in the locker room?
What you think they are kneeling for out of interest ?
It’s not really hard to understand. Colin K. and everyone else kneeling as has explained it many times. But you actually don’t care about that at all. You’re just race baiting.
This post & thread is just a racist dog whistle. LetsRun and the people who run the company continue to allow racist extremist to continue with these race baiting threads with no moderation. It’s appalling the company allows the message board to continue as is.
IstandwithColinK wrote:
It’s not really hard to understand. Colin K. and everyone else kneeling as has explained it many times. But you actually don’t care about that at all. You’re just race baiting.
This post & thread is just a racist dog whistle. LetsRun and the people who run the company continue to allow racist extremist to continue with these race baiting threads with no moderation. It’s appalling the company allows the message board to continue as is.
This response is as useless as the "its not even about the flag" argument. It doesnt say anything of meaningful substance, no explanation.
OP, it is and isn’t about the flag. The flag and anthem represent the United States in this context and so the kneelers use this opportunity to express their grievance with the current state of America as they see it. It is probably the most visible opportunity and most direct symbolism they have available to make this statement. Pro players have worked hard to earn their place in the spotlight. You don’t have to respect their views but they can use their time in front of the cameras as they see fit and deal with the consequences. Taking this stand in this context does not have to mean one dislikes the flag, the anthem or even America. They’re just calling attention to an issue that’s important to them. It’s okay if you don’t agree with that particular issue. America is a great country but no one is always correct (think slavery, Vietnam, etc.) and it takes a lot of loud opinions to collectively find our way. Some smear this way of thinking as “blame America first” but I would contest that any well balanced person (or country) should first look inwardly at how to solve problems. It’s a sign of immaturity to lash out first. And like it or not, Americans who disagree with us are still Americans. Personally, I watch football for the football and take my social/political stands elsewhere but the social activism doesn’t ruin it for me.
0hiaaaa wrote:
IstandwithColinK wrote:
It’s not really hard to understand. Colin K. and everyone else kneeling as has explained it many times. But you actually don’t care about that at all. You’re just race baiting.
This post & thread is just a racist dog whistle. LetsRun and the people who run the company continue to allow racist extremist to continue with these race baiting threads with no moderation. It’s appalling the company allows the message board to continue as is.
This response is as useless as the "its not even about the flag" argument. It doesnt say anything of meaningful substance, no explanation.
Ummm . . . that's kind of the point. The entire thread is useless as was correctly pointed out.
ohiaaa wrote:
Typical argument is that kneeling is bad during the anthem because it disrespects the flag.
The offending kneeler would respond "bro listen bro it aint even about the flag, it never was. You just don't get it"
Ok well I must not get it, because that logic is a non-starter for me. If its not about the flag, why'd you select the 2 mins 30 secs during the anthem to kneel?
Couldnt we move this to the first 10 seconds of the 4th quarter, or maybe during half time in the locker room?
There is no logical answer to your question except:
America, love it or leave it.
La Linea Azul wrote:
ohiaaa wrote:
Typical argument is that kneeling is bad during the anthem because it disrespects the flag.
The offending kneeler would respond "bro listen bro it aint even about the flag, it never was. You just don't get it"
Ok well I must not get it, because that logic is a non-starter for me. If its not about the flag, why'd you select the 2 mins 30 secs during the anthem to kneel?
Couldnt we move this to the first 10 seconds of the 4th quarter, or maybe during half time in the locker room?
There is no logical answer to your question except:
America, love it or leave it.
No! America, since I you love it I hate it when it fails to live up to its ideals.
Oops - omit "you" after "I".
IstandwithColinK wrote:
It’s not really hard to understand. Colin K. and everyone else kneeling as has explained it many times. But you actually don’t care about that at all. You’re just race baiting.
"Colin K.'s" explanation is lacking, for all the reasons that have been explained many times, But you don't actually care about that at all. You're just race baiting.
IstandwithColinK wrote:
This post & thread is just a racist dog whistle. LetsRun and the people who run the company continue to allow racist extremist to continue with these race baiting threads with no moderation. It’s appalling the company allows the message board to continue as is.
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Your post is just a race card dog whistle. You find a thread where someone has a view other than your own, and immediately play the race card. You even called the OP a "racist extremist" for questioning whether Colin K could do his protest at some other time than during the national anthem. It's too bad that people like you are allowed to cry "racist!" every time you disagree with someone.
ohiaaa wrote:
Typical argument is that kneeling is bad during the anthem because it disrespects the flag.
The offending kneeler would respond "bro listen bro it aint even about the flag, it never was. You just don't get it"
Ok well I must not get it, because that logic is a non-starter for me. If its not about the flag, why'd you select the 2 mins 30 secs during the anthem to kneel?
Couldnt we move this to the first 10 seconds of the 4th quarter, or maybe during half time in the locker room?
Simple question. What bothers you more
a) Someone kneeling to call attention to an injustice
b) Someone insulting americans who have shed blood to defend her?
If you are republican A bothers you a lot but B is Ok. That seems crazy to me. I can see objecting to both or neither but how can you value a piece of cloth and what it represents over actual humans and what they represent?
It was made clearfrom the start by CK that it was never about the flag.
A politician saw a way to gain attention for himself and smeared the peaceful protest by trying to make it something it was not. Oh, and that politician was denied ownership of an NFL team because of shady business deals and reluctance to show his finances. He saw a chance for attention and hopefully smear the NFL at the same time. Add in a chance to bury a person of color and it was a trifecta for him.
He did know enough to realize those that can't think or search for themselves would buy in that it was about putting down soldiers and the flag even though most of military backgrounds have supported CK' right to protest.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
ohiaaa wrote:
Typical argument is that kneeling is bad during the anthem because it disrespects the flag.
The offending kneeler would respond "bro listen bro it aint even about the flag, it never was. You just don't get it"
Ok well I must not get it, because that logic is a non-starter for me. If its not about the flag, why'd you select the 2 mins 30 secs during the anthem to kneel?
Couldnt we move this to the first 10 seconds of the 4th quarter, or maybe during half time in the locker room?
Simple question. What bothers you more
a) Someone kneeling to call attention to an injustice
b) Someone insulting americans who have shed blood to defend her?
If you are republican A bothers you a lot but B is Ok. That seems crazy to me. I can see objecting to both or neither but how can you value a piece of cloth and what it represents over actual humans and what they represent?
I am not sure what you are insenuating from this post.
Its an inappropriate time to call out injustice because there are millions of americans (surprise: some were african american) who sacrificed it all who are being honored.
Then we have brats like purple haired Megan Rapinoe who feel the need to upstage it all. Sorry, not interested.
And for whoever is calling this racist dogwhistling or whatever the word of the week is from HuffPo, no. This is the honest and open convo you've been asking for. And now I am telling you.
0hiaaaa wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Simple question. What bothers you more
a) Someone kneeling to call attention to an injustice
b) Someone insulting americans who have shed blood to defend her?
If you are republican A bothers you a lot but B is Ok. That seems crazy to me. I can see objecting to both or neither but how can you value a piece of cloth and what it represents over actual humans and what they represent?
I am not sure what you are insenuating from this post.
Its an inappropriate time to call out injustice because there are millions of americans (surprise: some were african american) who sacrificed it all who are being honored.
Then we have brats like purple haired Megan Rapinoe who feel the need to upstage it all. Sorry, not interested.
And for whoever is calling this racist dogwhistling or whatever the word of the week is from HuffPo, no. This is the honest and open convo you've been asking for. And now I am telling you.
I am not insinuating anything. I straight out saying Republicans think it is ok to insult vets on a regular basis (and no it isn't just trump who has no respect for veterans. It goes back decades) for their service to their country. This crap about respecting vets only comes up when they are trying to criticize other peoples actions. And no the national anthem is not honoring vets and their service. It is about pride in your country.
help please wrote:
OP, it is and isn’t about the flag. The flag and anthem represent the United States in this context and so the kneelers use this opportunity to express their grievance with the current state of America as they see it. It is probably the most visible opportunity and most direct symbolism they have available to make this statement. Pro players have worked hard to earn their place in the spotlight. You don’t have to respect their views but they can use their time in front of the cameras as they see fit and deal with the consequences. Taking this stand in this context does not have to mean one dislikes the flag, the anthem or even America. They’re just calling attention to an issue that’s important to them. It’s okay if you don’t agree with that particular issue. America is a great country but no one is always correct (think slavery, Vietnam, etc.) and it takes a lot of loud opinions to collectively find our way. Some smear this way of thinking as “blame America first” but I would contest that any well balanced person (or country) should first look inwardly at how to solve problems. It’s a sign of immaturity to lash out first. And like it or not, Americans who disagree with us are still Americans. Personally, I watch football for the football and take my social/political stands elsewhere but the social activism doesn’t ruin it for me.
Dude, who are you, posting a calm, collected reply that is actually legible and makes sense ..... on LR???
In all seriousness, this is by far the most intelligent post on this thread and makes us all look like uncultured monkeys.