probably 2 kg of real fat, the rest is water retention and food weight
probably 2 kg of real fat, the rest is water retention and food weight
Burnsy wrote:
Classic Kenny B
https://ibb.co/BgvKpYP
That is a bizarre photograph. If I didn't recognize his face, I'd've guessed the picture is of a 55-yr-old couch potatoe who has never ran a mile in his life.
I've gained 6 pounds in two weeks of binging and not running. It drops off in about a month of going back to normal. Seems to be a harmless thing to do before off season base training.
*bingeing, I should say
streak wrote:
I've gained 6 pounds in two weeks of binging and not running. It drops off in about a month of going back to normal. Seems to be a harmless thing to do before off season base training.
That's not real weight gain. That's just water weight. Gaining 15-20 lbs like Bekele is a whole different story.
This makes sense to a degree since runners are typically very lithe, so low muscle mass and a lower BMR. But then they are used to eating quite a lot depending on their mileage and ancillary work
First, 8 kg is 17.9 lbs or ~18 lbs.
Second, Gaining that much in two weeks is normal for people running over 100 mpw. I gain almost exactly the same. The question is whether you keep gaining after that. I got right up to 154 lbs in two weeks and stay right there until I start running again.
Ethiopians, like Indians, are on average very lean, among the leanest nations on the planet. In general, Africans average 133.9 lbs, 28.9% overweight, a bit more than Asians at 127 lbs and 24% overweight, while Europeans average 55% overweight (156 lb average), Latin Americans are at 57.9%/149.7 lbs, and North Americans 74% with an average weight of 177.9 lbs! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight "North America has 6% of the world population but 34% of biomass due to obesity. Asia has 61% of the world population but 13% of biomass due to obesity. One tonne of human biomass corresponds to approximately 12 adults in North America and 17 adults in Asia. If all countries had the BMI distribution of the USA, the increase in human biomass of 58 million tonnes would be equivalent in mass to an extra 935 million people of average body mass, and have energy requirements equivalent to that of 473 million adults."https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-12-439
NativeSon wrote:
supragraf wrote:
Have you seen non running Ethiopian men around? Huge guts. They eat so much and make the women do everything. I don’t blame them about the eating though.. the food is really good.
You live in a glass house man.
Some Americans are the size of small cows or small houses......something you can never see in either Ethiopia or Kenya.
If they tripped and fell in an indoor swimming pool, they'd trigger a tsunami.
Having a big tummy is one thing but being the size of a Guensey or Friesian cow is another.
Burnsy wrote:
Classic Kenny B
https://ibb.co/BgvKpYP
Amazing! That's fat all right.
I wonder how fast fat KB can run.
theRanMan wrote:
So what? He is the GOAT, so he deserves some buffet, cake and beers.
Amen. His legacy is complete, and he's still gonna get the Marathon WR to boot.
I buy it. Other than Berlin last year he's rarely looked super lean like most world class athletes do. If he stopped running entirely and started eating that trash hotel food then yes. When I worked 12 hour overnights at a luxury hotel I could not run more than 15-20 mpw. I was exhausted all the time from the long hours and really after resting after my last work day of the week I would normally wake up at 6pm with my entire day gone. That left me with only two days a week to do much of anything. In one month I gained at least 15-20 pounds. The overnight food was mostly fries, chicken wings and mozzarella sticks with pretty much no options for food nearby around 12-1am which was my lunch hour.
The reality of running wrote:
He also must have a slow metabolism, because I know a lot of skinny runners who could eat whatever they want and gain max 1kg in 2 weeks, even without running
This is because of their appetite, not their metabolism. A "slow metabolism" can't prevent you from gaining weight if you eat enough.
Bekele had better attempt the world record THIS year. If he waits until after the Olympics, which could be in 2022, he will be in his 40's by the time he gets another chance.
I've never said there wasn't a lot of water in it, I was talking about weight in general, not only fat. ~60% of the body mass is water so obviously, no matter how you lose/gain weight, there will always be a big part of water, and even more if you gain a big amount of weight that fast.
You're telling me that losing 5-10 lbs every season is healthy, and I totally agree, that's my point : when I go from 70kg to 60kg, that's 22lbs, not 5 or 10 lbs, that's insanely hard to lose after multiple months weighting 70kg. Imagine running around 100 miles per week for months and not losing much, only maintaning your weight, and then you have to lose 22 pounds, it will alter a lot your training. The first few pounds are easy, but the last 10 are very hard for me, and that's ~2/3 months where I can't train as good as I would be doing if I could eat enough calories.
The point I was trying to make is that, instead of gaining more than 20 lbs after the big competition, if I could eat healthier during my "break" so I only gain 10lbs, then that's already 10/12 more lbs that I don't have to lose every season. It instantly makes it more common and 10 times easier to lose. I never meant that I should be exactly at race weight during the whole season, I only thought that I should try to stay closer to race weight than I currently do, so that's easier to lose and I can get ready easier.
wqqqqqqqq wrote:
The reality of running wrote:
He also must have a slow metabolism, because I know a lot of skinny runners who could eat whatever they want and gain max 1kg in 2 weeks, even without running
This is because of their appetite, not their metabolism. A "slow metabolism" can't prevent you from gaining weight if you eat enough.
They eat twice as much as me and they don't get a single pounds while I'm gaining weight.
I think I get what you mean (faster metabolism = more calories burnt = bigger needs in calories and slower metabolism = less calories burnt = smaller needs in calories). You're talking about the energetic part, but remember that it's a lot about feeling. They burn a lot more calories, so they can eat what they want in whatever quantity and almost always still be in a calorie deficit (fast metabolism + high mileage) It's easier for them to be in a calorie deficit since they almost always feel full.
I was like that when I was younger and I can tell you that it's A LOT harder now to be in a calorie deficit.
I have a slower metabolism, so less needs in food, but that's mentally harder to be in a calorie deficit, since I have to restrict myself a lot to do so. The only way I can achieve this feeling while is with food which have a very low density of calories, so I can eat a lot and feel full while still being in a caloric deficit.
I couldn't be bothered reading any of this or watching the video, but is he in training now for London?
NativeSon wrote:
supragraf wrote:
Have you seen non running Ethiopian men around? Huge guts. They eat so much and make the women do everything. I don’t blame them about the eating though.. the food is really good.
You live in a glass house man.
Some Americans are the size of small cows or small houses......something you can never see in either Ethiopia or Kenya.
If they tripped and fell in an indoor swimming pool, they'd trigger a tsunami.
Having a big tummy is one thing but being the size of a Guensey or Friesian cow is another.
This is funnier than life itself!
That’s interesting. I’m not American though.
Ethiopians in North America have even bigger guts
Hindsight is 2020 wrote:
Many good runners have poor metabolisms. Especially once you get into your 20s and 30s. For a lot of runners overall calorie restriction is more important than extra mileage in improving performance.
Thank you for saying what no one else wants to say. There is paranoia these days that mentioning calories or weight at all to your athletes is encouraging an eating disorder.
Once most distance runners are 18 years old, they shouldn't gain any more weight. A vast majority of kids are done with puberty. They should stay the same or even get leaner in college. Athletes should be weighed before off-season periods and strongly encouraged to maintain their weight. They should also be monitored periodically in-season. DXA scans are ideal because you can look specifically at fat mass and bone mineral density.
Training is stressful. Some people eat too much, but many runners, even advanced ones, seem to think they can eat whatever they want, or they shouldn't worry about it. They seem to think that even if someone's gained 8 pounds over the course of a year in their 20s, it's fine.
Some even say "well, you just put on muscle." Even if that is the case (which it's not if you aren't lifting like you really mean it), you still do not want that extra weight for a 10k/8k/5k. There is a reason most elites are extremely lean and skinny, and citing an outlier like Chris Solinsky is not an argument.
Also, this idea that "so many" runners have amazing metabolisms that allows them to eat whatever they want whenever they want is pretty ridiculous. I always hear people say "I can't gain weight no matter how much I eat!" Guess how much those people actually eat? They'll run 10+ miles a day, eat 2000 calories, and then they "just aren't hungry."
Here's Drew Hunter fixing small meals and saying he's not even restricting himself: