Brazier and Engels Friday Night Time Trial! (Did Brazier really run 3:35.85 and look like he was jogging?)

If you keep watching you can overhear this conversation:

Craig Engels: Are they trying to get you to move up to 1500?

Donavan Brazier: Yeah, go out and jog high mileage with Jerry's guys for the next 10 years.

Craig: Probably win some nice hardware, though.

Donavan: I'm gonna be a f**kin' lab rat.

Craig: Better than this sh*t. It's a way outta here.

Donavan: What do I want a way outta here for? I mean, I'm gonna f**kin' run 400/800 the rest of my life. You know, we'll be teammates, you know, we'll have little kids f**kin' take 'em to junior meets together up at Grant High School.

Craig: Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In 10 years, if you're still runnin' 400/800, still workin' on your block starts, comin' over to my house to play FIFA, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll f**kin' kill you.

Donavan: What the f**k are you talkin' about?

Craig: Look, you got somethin' that none of us--

Donavan: Oh, come on! Why is it always this, I mean, I f**kin' owe it to myself to do this? Why if I don't want to?

Craig: Alright. No. No no. F**k you. You don't owe it to yourself. You owe it to me. 'Cause tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and I'll be fifty and I'll still be doing this sh*t. And that's all right, that's fine. I mean, you're sittin' on a winning lottery ticket and you're too much of a p**sy to cash it in. And that's bullsh*t 'cause I'd do anything to f**kin' have what you got! So would any of these f**kin' guys. It'd be an insult to us if you're still here in five years. Hanging around here is a f**kin' waste of your time.

Donavan: You don't know that.

Craig: I don't?

Donavan: No. You don't know that.

Craig: Oh, I don't know that. Let me tell you what I do know. Every day I come by to pick you up. And we go to practice, run some sprints, hit the weightroom, have a laugh at the Bowerman guys out on their long run and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? It's for about ten seconds from when I pull up to the curb to when I get to your door. Because I think maybe I'll get up there and I'll knock on the door and you won't be there. No goodbye, no see you later, no nothin'. Just left. I don't know much, but I know that.

This needs black front LR page. Track head on head distance racing is back!! No time trials. No virtual whatever. Just racing baby!! Team Julian and OTC: Thank you.

Rojo's texting source stands Correct.

Engels going out in 1:40. and his bad pace still manages 1:48.

Thank you for posting this! The announcer? and whole tracklandia production was funny, "and Engels trying to drive for home like those long nights in the RV." "Folks he appears to be standing real close to that trash can we'll keep it here to see what happens, oh! we may have to cut out for commercial!"?

Donovan while a speedster 4/800, 4x200 in HS has come so far. I remember the GV HS mile and he got out way fast with a lead of 5+ seconds on Fisher then in the last 700 went flat. The way he ran this favors an Olympic final as he put 4.5 seconds in last 225m and looked fresh.

I recall him saying 6miles was his LR. I hope that's not the case now he's really dialed in his round running at 800 evidenced at Worlds. It's inspiring to see him close the gap in 1500!

New Queen wrote:

No. The numbers don't lie. No reason to think Jakob wouldn't win. He ran 2 seconds faster. He would run as fast as necessary to win. Guessing it Craig would be in a battle for 3rd against the 3 Ing Brothers if they race 800 today. 1:44-1:44-1:45-1:46 in real race with Engels in 3rd.

You're right, the numbers don't lie. 1:44 vs 1:46. Engels wins.

Taking his 1:48 at face value is disingenuous and you know it. He got cooked by a fast opening lap and blew up as a result, whereas the Ingebrigtsens received near-perfect pacing. Splits matter.

All of these guys are capable of 1:43 - 1:44, but I stand by my statement that Engels would have waxed both Ingebrigtsens had he raced them on the 30th.

No. Ingebrigtsens did this on 1500/5000 training without even sharpening for those. They would cook him in a race if all 3 were running against him. Yes he would have run 1:47 with better pacing in his TT but that puts him behind at least 2 of them. In the right race, all 3 could beat him.

you don't know after what training/tapering Engels ran that race. Could we keep the Ingebrigtstens out of this thread on Engels, Brazier etc.?

POD

I’m convinced Donavan Braizer will be a WR holder in the 800/1500 when it’s all said and done. That was a spectacular close. He made that look incredibly easy.

Official split via runnerspace for the last lap was 52.13...... INSANE!

Anyone else spot KoKo started on the wrong line so should be a DQ? She was right up next to lane 3 start position.

I got 3:34.83.

how interested is he in going for the 1500? And how possible is it to double in the 1500/800 at the olympics?

allamericandream wrote:

I’m convinced Donavan Braizer will be a WR holder in the 800/1500 when it’s all said and done. That was a spectacular close. He made that look incredibly easy.

No way he runs 3:25. He should at minimum run 1:41 mid, though, with a shot at 1:40 WR

Imasuckup wrote:

rojo wrote:

I've received a text saying that Brazier ran 3:35.85 and looked like he was jogging. This source is basically never wrong on anything but I don't have confirmation from a 2nd source. Can anyone else confirm?

He did look like he was jogging until 300 to go.

Insane turnover. Definitely showed off his speed. I wonder if he is still running low mileage. Whatever Pete is assigning Brazier with it’s clearly working.

george oscar bluth wrote:

I’d be more curious of the last 300, because he didn’t really start cranking until then. 37 maybe?

A reenactment of Makhloufi 2012

sherlock wrote:

Anyone else spot KoKo started on the wrong line so should be a DQ? She was right up next to lane 3 start position.

I thought I saw that but didn’t rewind to verify. Lock her up.

high school xc coach wrote:

how interested is he in going for the 1500? And how possible is it to double in the 1500/800 at the olympics?

He did an interview the other day and basically said he's not interested at all, and would rather double in the 4x4 if anything. This was before this race though.

SanDiegorunner wrote:

Insane turnover. Definitely showed off his speed. I wonder if he is still running low mileage. Whatever Pete is assigning Brazier with it’s clearly working.

yep. and what a mount everest of talent.

if it is still essentially low mileage (and i have no doubt about it), it may be the most intelligent concept for the 800, the gold standard for comparable runners. i am deeply, deeply impressed.

Good Don hunting