Claiming there is a double standard by creating a fantasy scenario and projecting your opinion on what would happen is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.
Claiming there is a double standard by creating a fantasy scenario and projecting your opinion on what would happen is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.
DOUBLESTANDARD wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0the weigher wrote:
The scenario you put forth, besides being fantasy, is not comparable.
All kinds of murder by police, including murders of black civilians, that don't get notoriety.
You are contributing to the lack of reason in the thread, not the presence of it.
Is this comparable enough? Get your head out of your ass and start realizing we are being fed a narrative by the media to pit people of different colors against each other. There are way too many reasons for why there are doing this and it's obvious in some ways why they want to do this. The "WOKE" needs to WAKE UP.
What does "Narrative by the media" mean? Are you saying that the video itself was no big deal and there were protests only after the media egged everyone on?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
DOUBLESTANDARD wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0Is this comparable enough? Get your head out of your ass and start realizing we are being fed a narrative by the media to pit people of different colors against each other. There are way too many reasons for why there are doing this and it's obvious in some ways why they want to do this. The "WOKE" needs to WAKE UP.
What does "Narrative by the media" mean? Are you saying that the video itself was no big deal and there were protests only after the media egged everyone on?
Haha no. I never implied that. My point was that by the MAINSTREAM media propping up this video versus the many other horrible crimes committed in the US ,it is pushing the race narrative following the Ahmaud Arbery shooting.
Did you miss the point that injustices happen daily to all kinds of races, but the media jumps on it when a white cop kills a black man? That doesn't make it any less horrible, but there is an agenda to get people to be divided on race when that's the one that is talked about 24/7 for weeks on end. Racism exists! But there is no monopoly on white people in 2020 where they are the only one's capable of it... however mainstream media can push it to the public so that they are more aware of when this particular injustice occurs in order to cause a reaction that influences the BLM movement which is a huge backer of the Democratic party and therefore will help influence the election. Im not too concerned whether Biden or Trump wins, but it's not hard to see that there is an agenda at play.
breit leit wrote:
Claiming there is a double standard by creating a fantasy scenario and projecting your opinion on what would happen is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.
And it's not a complete fantasy when a white person gets killed in the same way and you hear nothing about it in the mainstream media, but when a white cop does the same thing to a black man before election time, its the protest of the century. The scenario is hypothetical, but it is no fantasy, and I think you know that if that hypothetical situation were to occur, there would be a completely different reaction to the danger the protests are putting many people in.
The country came together and unamously agreed that Mr Floyd's murder. Yes murder was wrong . Before we could hug each other, the Alt Left swooped in. Riots, looting, and violence pursued. Almost a great moment, followed by an equally horrible moment. The momentum is swinging back the other way, and BOOM , here comes another Russian boogeyman hoax. Just stay home. Please. Please.
I support cops over fascist leftists wrote:
While I’m not a fan of the whole “whitey bad” narrative, there was something about that cop kneeling on the man’s neck for far longer than was necessary that does trigger a visceral reaction. It was just wrong.
I’m a huge supporter of good cops and one thing I do approve of is de-escalation strategies. On the flip side, arrogant leftists need to understand the level of viciousness the cops sometimes have to deal with.
Yes. That's why good people need to rein in the cops. Because Tony Timpa, a white guy, suffered exactly the same fate. White privilege? Hah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X4PUwrq8tADOUBLESTANDARD wrote:
breit leit wrote:
Claiming there is a double standard by creating a fantasy scenario and projecting your opinion on what would happen is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.
And it's not a complete fantasy when a white person gets killed in the same way and you hear nothing about it in the mainstream media, but when a white cop does the same thing to a black man before election time, its the protest of the century. The scenario is hypothetical, but it is no fantasy, and I think you know that if that hypothetical situation were to occur, there would be a completely different reaction to the danger the protests are putting many people in.
Your intellectually dishonest fantasy that I called out was white people protesting police brutality en masse and the left complaining about it. That should have been very clear to you. You can’t claim a double standard because of what YOU think would happen in a hypothetical.
Not protesting every instance of an event is not a double standard. Is breast cancer awareness month a double standard in your little world? Besides, the protests are about accountability for all police brutality.
It seems like you're still saying the same thing. The video triggered the protests which the media obviously covered. No one propped up the video. Fox focused in on the violence, looting and arson while the liberal media tried to separate that from the protests. Our president focused 100% on the rioters and barely acknowledged the police killing and he continues to do so.
When a video such as the Rodney King beating or the Arbery shooting goes public, the media has zero control over the public reactions and can only report them.
Tell me why then people go and protest these things in the case of George Floyd but not Tony Timpa? Why doesn't the public have outrage for the same exact thing? It's JUST AS INJUSTICE as what happened to George Floyd. The mainstream media (usually on the left) has been pushing the race card for a while... CNN (Don Lemon ) is notorious for this. Even Morgan Freeman had to put him in his place for suggesting black people were being held back in this country.
There is a narrative and does not help the black community when we constantly focus on their injustices versus INJUSTICE IN GENERAL. And much more widespread injustice such as slavery in other countries, sex trafficking in this country, child abuse, etc. (no widespread protests).
Why did people protest George Floyd’s death and not John Crawford’s?
the weigher wrote:
Casual Impartial Observer wrote:
BECAUSE THE OFFICER WAS INDICTED AND AWAITING TRIAL!
(Rather quickly, I might add)
A voice of reason in a thread with little.
Normally I’d agree with this, but the George Floyd cops were arrested rather quickly and that didn’t stop anyone.
slowmoe wrote:
Casual Impartial Observer wrote:
BECAUSE THE OFFICER WAS INDICTED AND AWAITING TRIAL!
(Rather quickly, I might add)
And chauvin was charged with 2nd degree murder the next day. Where's the white privilege? Where's the white lives matter rioting?
The white privilege is him still having a job after 18 or 19 complaints.
DOUBLESTANDARD wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0the weigher wrote:
The scenario you put forth, besides being fantasy, is not comparable.
All kinds of murder by police, including murders of black civilians, that don't get notoriety.
You are contributing to the lack of reason in the thread, not the presence of it.
Is this comparable enough? Get your head out of your ass and start realizing we are being fed a narrative by the media to pit people of different colors against each other. There are way too many reasons for why there are doing this and it's obvious in some ways why they want to do this. The "WOKE" needs to WAKE UP.
The callousness of the police in this video and in the George Floyd video is appalling. It might be a coping mechanism for them, but it is disturbing. Both hurt to watch.
The techniques used were not the same. My gut says the Dallas technique was probably within regulations, but the same cannot be said for George Floyd's. I am no expert, but it seems to me that in both cases there should be better ways to resolve the situation. Drugs are certainly part of the equation but knowing that means we need to have techniques that avoid these kind of outcomes.
It wouldn't surprise me if police too often tend to look upon perps as a lesser form of life and don't treat them with respect any human deserves. I'm also guessing that whites are overly represented in most police forces relative to the populations they "protect and serve." This develops the image of the derisive/insensitive white cop which appears as racism.
Racism certainly does exist but this dynamic enhances its appearance . The MSM certainly picks up quickly on potential hate crimes.
We need to provide our police officers better tools and procedures as well as the training to use them effectively. In every work group there is a certain percentage that don't follow protocols/procedures well. In life and death situations this leads to mortal tragedy rather than just a hit to the bottom line.
I think we all need to hold two ideas in our heads:
1) Racism does exist and does affect what happens in society
2) We need to improve many things about policing in America - candidates, procedures, training, etc.
I am hopeful that all of the energy released by the public after the George Floyd incident drives us to address both of these things. They are not mutually exclusive.
party like it's 1859 wrote:
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She seems to have stabbed the officer in the hand with a knife after she was placed in the back of the police car. Then she was shot. She was also a heroin user. The prostitution was a means of paying for her fixes, and the fixes her boyfriend who was recently released from prison. She was wanted for skipping out on a court date for prostitution. It was two days after a warrant was issued for her arrest that they the events happened that ended her life.
https://frontpageconfidential.com/donna-dalton-castleberry-andrew-mitchell-columbus-ohio-prostitution-sting/https://frontpageconfidential.com/donna-dalton-castleberry-andrew-mitchell-columbus-ohio-prostitution-sting/DOUBLESTANDARD wrote:
Are you shitting me? This guy literally shot her 8 times. He shot at her 6 times and she said stop, please I surrender, and he shot her 2 more times killing her. This same undercover officer forced prostitutes to have sex with him in exchange for freedom of criminal punishment.
The country is brainwashed and it's so sad to see. A black man kills a white women, and everyone writes it off, but when a white man kills a black man then it's an act of racism. When you will you people realize that there are shitty cops and if they weren't shitty cops, NO ONE would be dying.
With all due respect, this was not a 'cop kill' at all. This was sexual assault by a cop already under investigation, that then led to murder when the assault victim put up a fight. He was in all likelihood a serial sex offender, getting 'favours' from the prostitutes he arrested.
With respect to 'when a black man kills a white women', when Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond, (out of sheer stupidity and amateurism), he got 12.5 yrs for 3rd deg murder, and the family of victim got $20M
You are troll to equate a sexual predator's actions with the Floyd or Brooks cases.
Very weak argument. Chauvin and Mitchell were both SHITTY cops. You are a troll for assuming I am comparing them as equal acts. Just because he was a sexual predator does not mean he wasn't abusing his power just like Chauvin was abusing his power. And if you haven't realized it, Chauvin is not getting away with anything.
Almost all victims of a cop killing someone unlawfully results in a settlement for the victims family, regardless of race. If you disagree, feel free to prove me otherwise with real data. Not just one case where someone got away or the family wasn't compensated fully.
You are missing the whole point to begin with. Police killing unarmed black men unjustly is a RARE occurrence If this were a widespread issue going on everywhere, every day, then I would agree with the protests. All the data refutes this assertion. There are many more widespread horrible things going on in the USA, and it's not cops killing innocent people. It happens, but wake up and realize this is a speck compared to the other issues going on under the surface of society.
No your whole point to begin with was to claim a double standard based on your own fabrication.
Regardless, saying that you can't ask for police accountability because there are other problems that kill more people is a common fallacy of deflectors and whatabouters.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
the weigher wrote:
A voice of reason in a thread with little.
Normally I’d agree with this, but the George Floyd cops were arrested rather quickly and that didn’t stop anyone.
Derek Chauvin was arrested on May 29, four days after he killed George Floyd.
If there weren't national protests to hasten the process, chances are he'd still be free.
Casual Impartial Observer wrote:
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Normally I’d agree with this, but the George Floyd cops were arrested rather quickly and that didn’t stop anyone.
Derek Chauvin was arrested on May 29, four days after he killed George Floyd.
If there weren't national protests to hasten the process, chances are he'd still be free.
Yeah let's not gloss over the fact that the police departments original version of events conveniently left off that Chauvin kneeled on his neck for nearly 8 minutes, much of which was after Floyd was unconscious. They seemed content to move on until the video went viral.
Natt Turner wrote:
slowmoe wrote:
And chauvin was charged with 2nd degree murder the next day. Where's the white privilege? Where's the white lives matter rioting?
The white privilege is him still having a job after 18 or 19 complaints.
You think there aren't black police officers that have complaints against them? How many of those 18 or 19 complaints were from white vs. black people?