TheseKidsUnderstand wrote:
Your breath shouldn't bypass the N95 mask, unless you are wearing it wrong or some other reason. You should be breathing in and out through the mask, without bypass. And do not have a valve on front. Perhaps you bought a Chinese knock-off.
A little bit escapes from under my eyes but that's it. I can't seem to adjust the metal nose clip to entirely eliminate it.
Grassrunner wrote:
It seems clear enough to me, yet no one is publicly promoting this concept. They are cheap as dirt to manufacture and there is no reason they shouldn't be readily available to the masses by now. You simply are not well protected with anything less.
The other masks most are wearing do not protect you well from the virus. Why wouldn't you want to protect others AND YOURSELF well??? If you get it, then you become a threat to others, so any way you look at it the masks most everyone is wearing now are a poor option.
Explain to me why you weren't wearing an N95 for your entire life? You can get flus/colds/respiratory viruses throughout the year and they can be very deadly to children & immunocompromised. Know a few kids that have died from this. Why have you threatened everyone for your entire life til now?
head injury? wrote:
Grassrunner wrote:
It seems clear enough to me, yet no one is publicly promoting this concept. They are cheap as dirt to manufacture and there is no reason they shouldn't be readily available to the masses by now. You simply are not well protected with anything less.
The other masks most are wearing do not protect you well from the virus. Why wouldn't you want to protect others AND YOURSELF well??? If you get it, then you become a threat to others, so any way you look at it the masks most everyone is wearing now are a poor option.
Explain to me why you weren't wearing an N95 for your entire life? You can get flus/colds/respiratory viruses throughout the year and they can be very deadly to children & immunocompromised. Know a few kids that have died from this. Why have you threatened everyone for your entire life til now?
I'm just saying if they seriously want us to wear masks for the purpose of preventing spread of this virus, they should make the availability of masks that are significantly more effective a priority.
If your glasses ever fog up while wearing a mask, that means the mask that you are wearing is not anywhere near an N95 or you are wearing it wrong. Some really bad masks allow so much air around their nostrils that glasses don't even fog up.
Cloth masks that most people wear are not good for extended periods inside because the breaths of you and others around you were not filtered and simply bypassed around your nostrils and saturate room in 15 minutes.
Why don't you get on the front line and start making some N95 masks? Or are you sitting home in your basement? Who do you think are making these masks? Why don't you enlist and do your part?
Because it is not the same threat as we have now dummy, but this too will pass in time. Hopefully sooner than later and hopefully you will learn not to be a dummy in your future.
dunes runner wrote:
You're forgetting that people commonly fart and pass wind, so how are you accounting for that?
People need to start putting duct tape on their butts, and not eliminating anywhere except in their own homes.
No one should be allowed to go out in public without duct tape on their butts, and no one allowed into stores until this is verified at the doors.
This is freaking me out. People can spread the virus from their butts!!
So wearing the stupid mask doesn't do any good anyway plus all the problems it causes.
The N95 mask can give you some personal protection. Other masks not so much, so good luck and remember about social distancing.
A recent model shows that 80% compliance wearing masks with 60% efficiency is enough to reduce the new cases, and move the trend downwards, even if the wearer is not fully protected.
The best protection for mask wearers and non-mask wearers alike is social distancing.
dunes runner wrote:
dullard wrote:
The primary reason for requiring masks by regular people is not to protect the individual but to reduce transmission because all the droplets from your mouth get caught in the mask and if everyone does it we become collectively less exposed to covid-19.
You're forgetting that people commonly fart and pass wind, so how are you accounting for that?
People need to start putting duct tape on their butts, and not eliminating anywhere except in their own homes.
No one should be allowed to go out in public without duct tape on their butts, and no one allowed into stores until this is verified at the doors.
Most butts have cloth coverings -- typically two layers. Butts are generally masked in public without the need for medical recommendation, and not seen as a sign of obedience.
Recent research has found that solid "eliminating" can increase the risk of spread as the plume from flushing a toilet creates an aerosol containing corona virus of up to 3 feet (one meter) which can linger long enough to potentially infect the next visitor. Flushing with the lid down if possible is recommended.
TheseKidsUnderstand wrote:
Why don't you get on the front line and start making some N95 masks? Or are you sitting home in your basement? Who do you think are making these masks? Why don't you enlist and do your part?
I am on the front line treating patients in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.
I like when the mask or die Karens tell the anti-mask Karens the mask doesn't protect them but it protects others. The anti-mask Karens clearly don't care about the others so why tell them that like it's going to shame them into wearing one?
It slows someone else's airborne germs from entering your nostrils and it keeps your airborne germs from spraying greatly.
You defeat the virus just like we defeat all the other viruses. Just let it play its course, come to homesostasis....because no matter what, short of nuking the entire planet, it will run its course.
Covid particles are everywhere. Outside, inside, in between. Outside, you avoid the small amount of particles coming out of humans but there is a vastly greater number of covid particles already in the airspace. Nothing your or someone elses mask can do except give you a 1% protection and just delay the inevitable for a microsecond. It will be in your eyes, on your hair, and on your skin and clothing. It's going to get transferred unless you have a decontamination chamber.
masked avenger wrote:
You defeat the virus just like we defeat all the other viruses. Just let it play its course, come to homesostasis....because no matter what, short of nuking the entire planet, it will run its course.
Covid particles are everywhere. Outside, inside, in between. Outside, you avoid the small amount of particles coming out of humans but there is a vastly greater number of covid particles already in the airspace. Nothing your or someone elses mask can do except give you a 1% protection and just delay the inevitable for a microsecond. It will be in your eyes, on your hair, and on your skin and clothing. It's going to get transferred unless you have a decontamination chamber.
Viruses quickly degrade outside the body. Depending on conditions, they could be "dead" in seconds to hours, but you're making it sound like they just accumulate forever.
It also takes a fairly substantial dose to infect most people, because the immune system is good at preventing infections. That's why most transmission is occurring in enclosed spaces with infected people and not through touching things.
N95 masks are not necessary for protecting against Covid transmission in non-hospital settings. A N95 mask is a prudent PPE choice when a pathogen can spread through dry, suspended particles in the air; it is very rare that bacteria or viruses can survive in such a way but there are a few that can, such as Tuberculosis. There is currently no evidence that SARS-CoV2 spreads this way. This virus is not resistant to drying, and so without moisture carrying it through the air, virions will die. Both cloth and surgical masks are effective at preventing the respiratory droplets that carry SARS-CoV2 from entering the shared air from the respiratory tract (if the patient is wearing one), and entering the respiratory tract from the air (if a non-patient is wearing one), with higher efficacy of the former than the latter.
So, N95s are not needed outside of an ICU setting. In an ICU setting, it makes sense to wear N95s in certain situations because certain equipment with high air pressure is capable of creating much higher concentrations of virus-containing aerosols than would otherwise be present, even if the patient was coughing nonstop. So, if a patient requires frequent open suctioning of airway secretions, is intubated (or being extubated), on NIPPV, needs CPR, etc., a healthcare worker should wear a N95. Otherwise, this is unnecessary.
I’m a hospital worker.
The modeling without experimental verification can kiss my ever-loving double-cloth-covered you-know-what.
This scientific report from 2006 describes the various mitigations, and why we do not bother (except when politics intervenes).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17238820/
The 2006 paper above is in plain English.
This scientific report reviews the failure of numerous studies to demonstrate the efficacy of universal masks.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32027586/
Maybe try reading? If you disagree, I would love to see the evidence.
OK, good to know!
no mask wrote:
No mask!
I haven't worn a mask yet...
Curious how the people in Oregon who convinced themselves to allow nudity in public react to being forced to wear a mask...? (I tried to link the website to the news article about where in Oregon nudity is allowed but Letsrun's filter is too stupid to distinguish between spam and a real link, apparently... so you can google it).
pinesol wrote:
Maybe try reading? If you disagree, I would love to see the evidence.
Thanks for the articles. I scanned through one of them, and I have 2 questions (keep in mind I really haven't worn a mask yet so I'm not one of the mask nazis):
1) The authors state: "Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group." To me this suggests conclusions would be minimally useful except that 'suboptimal' adherence will always be a problem; therefore, mandating untrained mask wearing will always be futile silliness.
2) I don't know the difference between how flu and corona travels/survives in the air, but are we presuming they are the same (therefore making these studies relevant)?
It should be, but it's not :)
That's basically the theme for govt right now