avg100 wrote:
I'm a below average hobby jogger with 25mins 5k. I will report back in 2 years aiming for sub 16k with 100mpw!. Male 35, 186lbs, body fat 18-22%. Aim to lose 50lbs to help reach sub 16k. Process is key
Why does it that nobody understands an overweight 5k time is LEAGUES different then a healthy weight 5k time. Having a 25 or 30 min 5k while fat means you are not average.
Injured.
the real question is how many miles would Kipchoge have to run before he could finish a marathon in 1:15. I'm going to say 385 miles a week would do the trick. top end speed clearly has no genetic component, it's all about cranking out more more more miles
no human is limited and no LR poster who says the average guy could run a 15 minute 5k has a brain
Will tell you in 20 miles.
I'm currently maxing out at 80 mpw after a long period at 70-75.
Have run nearly 20,000 miles lifetime though after picking up the sport age 27.
Have run 1:20 half and 2:56 marathon on that sort of mileage...feel confident I'd break 18' 5k and 37' 10k if needed to.
I'm very average, so I'd stay at 100 mpw based on my experience...about 17 flat, mid 35s, a 1:18 or so (6 min mi) half marathon and a 2:45 marathon.
Just my 2c
LR users are liars wrote:
avg100 wrote:
If your times are genuine, you are not average Joe!!?
I disagree. I'd say that sounds pretty average to me. Maybe even slightly below.
These times slightly below average? Really? :)
I used to think I wanted to be a good runner after college but now 100 mpw is 14 hours I coukd spend with family, have a hobby or work overtime. For the average Joe over 40-50 miles is overkill.
I have run 31:00 10k on 70 miles per week back in the day and was working an internship full time so I would say 29:30 10k/ 14:15 perhaps. But I never was able to do well over 85 miles per week. I never would have been able to handle 100 mpw.
nopeeee wrote:
avg100 wrote:
I'm a below average hobby jogger with 25mins 5k. I will report back in 2 years aiming for sub 16k with 100mpw!. Male 35, 186lbs, body fat 18-22%. Aim to lose 50lbs to help reach sub 16k. Process is key
Why does it that nobody understands an overweight 5k time is LEAGUES different then a healthy weight 5k time. Having a 25 or 30 min 5k while fat means you are not average.
Nothing wrong in believing farsighted goal and working towards it.
Funrunkid wrote:
Guessing 16:20 5k and 33:50 10k. Just a hunch
This is my guess too for someone who loves running, is putting in the work (100mpw), but didn't have talent at the on-set.
Low-16's, (sub) 34:00, 1:15-ish, 2:37-ish.
At those kinds of times you might stagnate if you weren't really supposed to be a distance runner. A lot of people are going to run a lot quicker off of that kind of mileage but if 100mpw gets you sub-2:40 and not sub-2:30, an OTQ is probably outside of the realm of possibility.
minime wrote:
Assume he is between 18-35 years. Assume he wont get injured. 2 workouts per week; 1 with short intervals, 1 with longer (threshold/vo2), 1 good long run. After a year on that schedule what would the average person ( not average runner) be able to do on a 5/10k?
I say 18.30/38.15.
I think the average person would be around 6 minutes per mile. I think the outliers in society are guys who can’t run 8 min pace for 5k.
Let’s remember, Oprah was overweight her entire life. She trained for less than a year and ran a 4:29 marathon.
I think the people on this board underestimate how much training that is — and with the conditions of no injuries. Most dudes on this board might drop there PR by 60-90s if they trained this way.
I think this is really hard to answer, because with the assumptions, at that point they aren't an average person. Someone who can not only run 100 mpw, but also not get injured while doing, is not an average person. - M. Nunkey
NERunner053 wrote:
Funrunkid wrote:
Guessing 16:20 5k and 33:50 10k. Just a hunch
This is my guess too for someone who loves running, is putting in the work (100mpw), but didn't have talent at the on-set.
Low-16's, (sub) 34:00, 1:15-ish, 2:37-ish.
At those kinds of times you might stagnate if you weren't really supposed to be a distance runner. A lot of people are going to run a lot quicker off of that kind of mileage but if 100mpw gets you sub-2:40 and not sub-2:30, an OTQ is probably outside of the realm of possibility.
A lot of "average" guys jog. I've often seen some that run ridiculously slow. if you took pictures of them it would be rare to see one where both feet were off the ground. Someone with an ultimate potential in the low 16s could not possibly run that slowly. My very first over distance run was at a much faster pace.
The thread should be about 60mpw per week as that amount would get them close to their potential. Using 100mpw brings up a needless discussion about injuries rather than natural ability. There are talented runners that can't stay healthy at 100 mpw.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
A lot of "average" guys jog. I've often seen some that run ridiculously slow. if you took pictures of them it would be rare to see one where both feet were off the ground. Someone with an ultimate potential in the low 16s could not possibly run that slowly. My very first over distance run was at a much faster pace.
The thread should be about 60mpw per week as that amount would get them close to their potential. Using 100mpw brings up a needless discussion about injuries rather than natural ability. There are talented runners that can't stay healthy at 100 mpw.
It's definitely possible to be extremely slow after some years of not doing anything. I was one of the fastest kids in my school, on just 2-3x 1h sports a week during school. Just few years later, doing nothing except play video games, I was already one of the slowest. Few more years later, I was running at 13 min/mile during my start and needed breaks after 1-2 miles. I was still fast over short distances, like I could close each run last 200 in sub 30, or run a quarter in 60, but had absolutely no endurance. The body adapted to my lifestyle - able to get by on very low calories a day, able to survive on only 4-5 hours sleep each night, etc.
After a good amount of training, already ran 16 low now.
You never know if the guy out there jogging 12 min miles after being completely inactive for many years is actually a potential 15 min 5k runner in disguise.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
NERunner053 wrote:
This is my guess too for someone who loves running, is putting in the work (100mpw), but didn't have talent at the on-set.
Low-16's, (sub) 34:00, 1:15-ish, 2:37-ish.
At those kinds of times you might stagnate if you weren't really supposed to be a distance runner. A lot of people are going to run a lot quicker off of that kind of mileage but if 100mpw gets you sub-2:40 and not sub-2:30, an OTQ is probably outside of the realm of possibility.
A lot of "average" guys jog. I've often seen some that run ridiculously slow. if you took pictures of them it would be rare to see one where both feet were off the ground. Someone with an ultimate potential in the low 16s could not possibly run that slowly. My very first over distance run was at a much faster pace.
The thread should be about 60mpw per week as that amount would get them close to their potential. Using 100mpw brings up a needless discussion about injuries rather than natural ability. There are talented runners that can't stay healthy at 100 mpw.
Everyone starts off like that when they've been sedentary for years. I'm a mid 15s 5k guy now, but when I first started running I too could barely jog a mile at any pace, doubt it was much faster than my casual walk. And even that effort killed me.
I bet if Eluid Kipchoge didn't take up running until he was 30, even he would've started out the same.
MatthewXCountry wrote:
This might be true, but it would take at least 2 years of buildup before someone who never trained before could start running 100 mpw without getting plagued with lots of injuries.
If you follow the 10% rule, you can get from 10 mpw to 100 mpw in 30 weeks.
Wk1: 10 miles.
Wk2: 11 miles.
Wk3: 12 miles.
Wk4: 13 miles.
Wk5: 14 miles.
Wk6: 15 miles.
Wk7: 16 miles.
Wk8: 17 miles.
Wk9: 18 miles.
Wk10: 19 miles.
Wk11: 20 miles.
Wk12: 22 miles.
Wk13: 24 miles.
Wk14: 26 miles.
Wk15: 28 miles.
Wk16: 30 miles.
Wk17: 33 miles.
Wk18: 36 miles.
Wk19: 39 miles.
Wk20: 42 miles.
Wk21: 46 miles.
Wk22: 50 miles.
Wk23: 55 miles.
Wk24: 60 miles.
Wk25: 66 miles.
Wk26: 72 miles.
Wk27: 79 miles.
Wk28: 86 miles.
Wk29: 94 miles.
Wk30: 103 miles.
This rule has always defied any logic. Continuing on your premise, you'd be running 838 miles a week after 52 weeks (1 year) and... 119,096 miles per week at 104 weeks (2 years)!
Wk31:113 miles
Wk32:125 miles
Wk33:137 miles
Wk34:151 miles
Wk35:166 miles
Wk36:182 miles
Wk37:201 miles
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Wk39:243 miles
Wk40:267 miles
Wk41:294 miles
Wk42:323 miles
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Wk45:430 miles
Wk46:473 miles
Wk47:521 miles
Wk48:573 miles
Wk49:630 miles
Wk50:693 miles
Wk51:762 miles
Wk52:838 miles
Wk53:922 miles
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Wk55:1116 miles
Wk56:1228 miles
Wk57:1350 miles
Wk58:1485 miles
Wk59:1634 miles
Wk60:1797 miles
Wk61:1977 miles
Wk62:2175 miles
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Wk67:3502 miles
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Wk69:4238 miles
Wk70:4662 miles
Wk71:5128 miles
Wk72:5641 miles
Wk73:6205 miles
Wk74:6825 miles
Wk75:7508 miles
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Wk77:9084 miles
Wk78:9993 miles
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Wk80:12091 miles
Wk81:13300 miles
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Wk83:16093 miles
Wk84:17703 miles
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Wk86:21420 miles
Wk87:23562 miles
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Wk90:31362 miles
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Wk95:50508 miles
Wk96:55559 miles
Wk97:61115 miles
Wk98:67226 miles
Wk99:73949 miles
Wk100:81344 miles
Wk101:89478 miles
Wk102:98426 miles
Wk103:108269 miles
Wk104:119096 miles
I'm fairly average. How fast would I be if I ran 120,000 miles a week? Could I be a happy high school xc runner? Would Tinman recruit me? Even more importantly, would total strangers verbally eviscerate me on a well known running forum? Would nike give me a pair of CheaterFlys?
Viking21 wrote:
I'm fairly average. How fast would I be if I ran 120,000 miles a week? Could I be a happy high school xc runner? Would Tinman recruit me? Even more importantly, would total strangers verbally eviscerate me on a well known running forum? Would nike give me a pair of CheaterFlys?
As well as carrying water and gels, you would have to carry boxes of running shoes, and change on the move. Although, I wouldn't set your sights on a long streak!