Now masks may protect the wearer. They lied before More lies now?

But, but Trump said. You can do better than this. Man, we are really going to have fun with Biden.

remember they said stop buying them on twitter?

drths wrote:

"From wikipedia: "He was nominated for"

With all respect, Wikipedia does have a lot of factual information on it but it should not be used as an authoritative source of information. There's also a lot of really bad information on it. Just like a lot of information from the government. The only difference is some information disseminated from the government is designed to harm.

Wikipedia said that CSPI opposed his appointment. That is fact and not reaching much. Wikipedia contributors provide citations, assembling material from different places to cover a topic. That makes it a good starting point for research on a topic. Who said anything about authoritative? People can argue whether any citation is authoritative. You can look up the Center for Science in the Public Interest to see if they are worth listening to.

drths wrote:

That's not the issue. I always wear a mask in public where I can not social distance, too. The issue is how long can we accept the government lying to us?

We are getting mixed (and highly and often politicized). They said no masks at first, probably by orders at the top (trump and his inner staff). But the science indicates otherwise and they reversed themselves. Also, by nature right wingers aren't so good at nuance. It's either-or. Always or their lizard brains explode. So yes masks do work. But not 100%. They work better at preventing the mask wearer from transmitting a virus. Not as effective at preventing the mask wearer from picking up a virus, but still much better than no mask at all.

How hard is this to fathom? It should not be difficult, but some people are really really dumb.

Most people are not dumb they just don't know. When the top doctors say masks don't work people believe it. Why wouldn't they?

Lies and Lies and more lies

Every day it is a different story. They are trying to confuse people. Something bigger is going on? News is constantly pushing stories they are making up or misleading.

The masks are starting cause more issues that Covid but the news won't tell you that.

Bacterial puenomia is on the rise. My sister is ER nurse and bacteria puenomia is being seen way more than Covid is ERs and Urgent cases.

How does one get bacteria puenomia??? THe Masks! Bacteria gets on my from touching and that breathing in those moist bacteria.

THINK people!!!! These masks are not safe to be wearing for extended time.

zzzz is asleep, the opinion of a sheep.

You argue from beliefs, I question on the basis of facts. My way takes longer, but works better in the long run.

Masks are for phags.

drths wrote:

I predicated the protests on this forum way before they started. So I'll go first and say:

This is the time for everyone to be part. No one person gets all the recognition like in past revolutions. Each person gets all the recognition.

Can't wait to read about your "revolution" in the history books. What's your name again? Just so I won't miss it.

sun2happy2 wrote:

Lies and Lies and more lies

Every day it is a different story. They are trying to confuse people. Something bigger is going on? News is constantly pushing stories they are making up or misleading.

The masks are starting cause more issues that Covid but the news won't tell you that.

Bacterial puenomia is on the rise. My sister is ER nurse and bacteria puenomia is being seen way more than Covid is ERs and Urgent cases.

How does one get bacteria puenomia??? THe Masks! Bacteria gets on my from touching and that breathing in those moist bacteria.

THINK people!!!! These masks are not safe to be wearing for extended time.

Wait, you forgot to call us "Sheeple"! Without that touch, I'm not really sure that I can take you seriously.

YMMV wrote:

GoodIntentions;-) wrote:

Why even post this? Are you trying to prove that masks don’t work at reducing transmission? Because they definitively do. There are a million reasons Japan could have higher mortality regarding flu/pneumonia - access to facilities and pollution are two possibilities off the top of my head.

Let’s say - just as a hypothetical - that masks work but are less effective than researchers believe. Wouldn’t it STILL be worth it to take two seconds to throw one on when you head out the door? Especially if you’re going somewhere indoors? I don’t understand the resistance in this instance.

You argue from beliefs, I question on the basis of facts. My way takes longer, but works better in the long run.

Whoa, hang on there, little fella. I don't think that he is really arguing with you. More like, laughing at you.

"Can't wait to read about your "revolution" in the history books. What's your name again? Just so I won't miss it. "

This is what I want you to do: Go look up the revolution in Tunisia. You'll see what happened and how it spread without any leaders.

The people in the US and everywhere have "had it" with government The coronavirus is intertwined with the social evolution and this will bring about the revolution. I never understood how it exactly worked in Tunisia but now I know it doesn't matter - it just does. We are right on the edge.

Surgical MASKS do nothing.

n95 MASKS maybe do something.

Cloth MASKS hide ugly face.

[quote]zzzz wrote:

It protects both the wearer and other people. This is NOT a new discovery.

Baloney.

This is a change in the narrative.

For months now we have been told to wear masks even though we are not sick as we might just be asymptomatic and that the masks prevents us from somehow infecting others even though we are not coughing or sneezing. This never made a whole lot of sense...and now they are changing the story.

And you are changing history in your mind so you can cling to this delusion you have been fed and not have to admit to yourself you've been suckered

Giles Corey wrote:

And you are changing history in your mind so you can cling to this delusion you have been fed and not have to admit to yourself you've been suckered

I've been consistent. Here is what I was saying April 3rd,

when said the recommendations needed an overhaul, pointed to Asia and the Korean health expert, and explained droplet carrier of the virus in the same way as I did above to a nurse.

Right wingers need to make up their minds. Either you are on the side of science and will wear masks if science shows that it is effective in controlling the virus or you are on the side of anti-science and will go on and on about how masks violate your constitutional rights.

Fauci is a very flawed character. He has a huge ego and wants to be in charge of the virus response for the federal government. I think he believes that no one else is qualified to do his job and pragmatically fears that Trump will appoint a clown if he gets fired or resigns in protest. So, Fauci is willing to be flexible like the reed and not rigid like the branch to avoid snapping in the storm (or however that Asian proverb goes).

But if you want to look at history, very soon after Fauci recommended against face covering, jurisdictions began requiring it anyway. In Texas, many of the local stay at home orders included face covering requirements. Then, Governor Abbott overruled all of those orders in his state emergency declaration. And that was not because of Fauci. That was because right wing nutjobs were going nuts over the local rules.

sun2happy2 wrote:

Lies and Lies and more lies

Every day it is a different story. They are trying to confuse people. Something bigger is going on? News is constantly pushing stories they are making up or misleading.

The masks are starting cause more issues that Covid but the news won't tell you that.

Bacterial puenomia is on the rise. My sister is ER nurse and bacteria puenomia is being seen way more than Covid is ERs and Urgent cases.

How does one get bacteria puenomia??? THe Masks! Bacteria gets on my from touching and that breathing in those moist bacteria.

THINK people!!!! These masks are not safe to be wearing for extended time.

Oh dear. You know your “sister” (who most definitely exists in real life) and everyone else at the hospital is required to wear a mask at all times - and have for a long time now - right? Do they have pneumonia? No, they don’t. The masks don’t cause pneumonia. COVID causes pneumonia. Honestly, how did you evolve from the same organisms as the rest of us?

GoodIntentions;-) wrote:

Oh dear. You know your “sister” (who most definitely exists in real life) and everyone else at the hospital is required to wear a mask at all times - and have for a long time now - right?

At all times? Hardly. During surgery, yes, along with numerous other procedures to ensure an as-close-as-possible-to-sterile environment. After which, all of that PPE is disposed of. And some other high risk situations where again, additional procedures are followed and all of that PPE is disposed of immediately thereafter. This is in contrast to the current situation where some people wear the same mask all day long in a very non-sterile environment.