We wouldn't have heard of him without Tinman. He has improved to 3:35/7:37-39/13:20 and qualified for World's, but was unhealthy. He hasn't become one of the great ones, but he has developed from high school; he is still young; his season was washed out due to COVID; and he's lost a lot of time due to injuries. If he gets healthy, he might run 3:32-33 or 7:35 and 13:05-9 one of these years, so don't count him out. One issue, in my mind, is the lack of top training partners at his level or above. A second issue is the lack of in-season finishing work, meaning high quality speedwork, to get him to his peak in any given year. Considering that he's been injured with the kind of work Tinman has him do, why not try more shorter, faster stuff? When I look back to how I got injured, in most cases it was on a tempo run, not in track work. I can think of one time I was injured in speedwork, and that was because I wasn't recovered yet from calf injuries I got from tempos.