Jakob and Filip to run 800m on tuesday june 30th

Yeah except his 4:50 (going out in 3:55 and closing in 54.xx) is equivalent to a 3:30 / 12:58, so it seems like he's doing just fine.

Assuming he actually runs perfect pacing in that 2k he probably runs 4:48 or so, meaning rough equivalents of 3:29 and 12:52. Are those big enough of improvements for you?

Han Solo wrote:

Yeah except his 4:50 (going out in 3:55 and closing in 54.xx) is equivalent to a 3:30 / 12:58, so it seems like he's doing just fine.

Assuming he actually runs perfect pacing in that 2k he probably runs 4:48 or so, meaning rough equivalents of 3:29 and 12:52. Are those big enough of improvements for you?

Fake equivalents for funky events are not true.

Your explanation is that he cant run 3:30 or sub 13 without a top race and yet you say he can run an equivalent.

Funny stuff.

I don't accuse you of anything. I accurately call out your lies.

Lion belt wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

Yeah except his 4:50 (going out in 3:55 and closing in 54.xx) is equivalent to a 3:30 / 12:58, so it seems like he's doing just fine.

Assuming he actually runs perfect pacing in that 2k he probably runs 4:48 or so, meaning rough equivalents of 3:29 and 12:52. Are those big enough of improvements for you?

Fake equivalents for funky events are not true.

Your explanation is that he cant run 3:30 or sub 13 without a top race and yet you say he can run an equivalent.

Funny stuff.

Please make a list of the guys who have run under 3:30 / 13:00 completely solo. I'm going to guess it's a short list.

If you use your eyes, a knowledge of running/racing, common sense, etc. and dissect the way that 2000m was run, it's easy to see that performance shows he's in very good form.

He's going to be running 1500s and 5000s for the next decade or so I would guess, so why not take this time to run some different events?

He will run 3:27 and 12:49 in his career.

Han Solo wrote:

Lion belt wrote:

Fake equivalents for funky events are not true.

Your explanation is that he cant run 3:30 or sub 13 without a top race and yet you say he can run an equivalent.

Funny stuff.

Please make a list of the guys who have run under 3:30 / 13:00 completely solo. I'm going to guess it's a short list.

If you use your eyes, a knowledge of running/racing, common sense, etc. and dissect the way that 2000m was run, it's easy to see that performance shows he's in very good form.

He's going to be running 1500s and 5000s for the next decade or so I would guess, so why not take this time to run some different events?

He was never completely solo.

Lion belt wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

Please make a list of the guys who have run under 3:30 / 13:00 completely solo. I'm going to guess it's a short list.

If you use your eyes, a knowledge of running/racing, common sense, etc. and dissect the way that 2000m was run, it's easy to see that performance shows he's in very good form.

He's going to be running 1500s and 5000s for the next decade or so I would guess, so why not take this time to run some different events?

He was never completely solo.

No, not in the 2000m. But what I'm saying is that there are no races right now - so in order to run under 3:30 or 13:00 - which according to you is the only way to show improvement - it would have to be a solo effort. And my point is that it would be very difficult to do.

His 2000m time was top 10 of all time wasn't it? It's a crazy fast time. Maybe they're doing distances they normally wouldn't because there isn't a real competition going on, just the 3 brothers. It seems like the best time to try an 800 for them, because doing it in a regular season would just take away from what their main goal is, whereas now, running a solo 1500 and not running as well as they feel they should might hurt them mentally.

1:46 sounds slow for a 3:30 guy but remember Lagat never cracked 1:46. You might say that most of these are early season races, but his pr (1:46.00) was an August race 5 days before he ran 3:30.55 he was pretty sharp at that time.

800 Metres

Performance Place Date

2009 1:46.84 Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 07 JUL 2009

2005 1:47.07 Kingston (JAM) 07 MAY 2005

2004 1:46.96 Walnut, CA (USA) 18 APR 2004

2003 1:46.00 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 10 AUG 2003

2002 1:46.90 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 29 MAR 2002

2000 1:46.85 Helsinki (FIN) 15 JUN 2000

1999 1:46.06 Köln (GER) 08 AUG 1999

1998 1:46.02 Paris (FRA) 29 JUL 1998

1997 1:49.46 Eugene, OR (USA) 19 APR 1997

By the way this is a tangent but just looking up race results El Guerrouj is from another planet. The guy ran 3:26 five times. Sub 3:30 thirty-three times.

yup. also Farah never went below 1:48.24 yet he ran a 3:28 1500.

Let's stop the f%$king around.

1.46.37 for Jakob

prediction locked in

3:30 guys expected to run 1:45??

Hardly!

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Maybe he just doesn't want to end up like El Guerrouj who graduated with a 1:47 PR?

I'm willing to bet that he'd be okay with ending up like El Guerroj.

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

Let's stop the f%$king around.

1.46.37 for Jakob

prediction locked in

+1

Jakob might run a 1:45 but he will never run sub 1:45, the first step to matching 800+ GOAT Augustine Choge.

sub 1:45: Choge check Aouita check Jakob nope

sub 3:30: Choge check Aouita check Jakob nope

sub 7:30: Choge check Aouita check Jakob nope

sub 12:55 Choge check Aouita nope jakob nope

sub 60: Choge check Aouita nope jakob nope

I inadvertently stopped capitalizing jakob's name but I'm advertently leaving it that way. Kid's got a long way to go to live up to the great expectations.

Coevett wrote:

spade detector wrote:

Nowhere near “nearly everybody” claims that. Once again, you are a liar. Your word is mud.

Says the guy who has only posted here in the last three years to accuse me of being a liar, usually and not very coincidentally around the same time as another anonymous and more hysterical poster is doing the same.

And people here are constantly referencing that 1:49 at 16 as evidence Jakob hasn't got speed, so go home devastated Observski.

Stop whining.

What do you think Jakob will run?

supragraf wrote:

3:30 guys expected to run 1:45??

Hardly!

Of course.

Coevett wrote:

Says the guy who has only posted here in the last three years to accuse me of being a liar, usually and not very coincidentally around the same time as another anonymous and more hysterical poster is doing the same.

And people here are constantly referencing that 1:49 at 16 as evidence Jakob hasn't got speed, so go home devastated Observski.

We don't use his old 800m time to evaluate his speed/muscle fiber ratio. But we saw dozens of races of him and it's always the same vs other good runners with more speed - he gets smoked/destroyed on the last 100-200m. Especially in slower races, like the European Indoor Championship 2019 1500m. But even in Doha, which was a fast race.

Runners can have a strong 800m time without being very fast-twitch, just by being extremely strong aerobically. Klosterhalfen is a similar runner to Ingebrigtsen - lots of endurance, stamina, but no strong sprint finish. Yet she ran a 1:59 - which is probably equivalent to 1:44 or so.

So even if Jakob runs a 1:43 or 1:44, as you or some other people think (in my opinion it's not even guaranteed), as long as he keeps getting outsprinted at the end of competitive races we won't consider him a "speedy 1500 guy" or "FT runner in 1500".

And the argument "but he closed a race in a 53!" also gets old. Lagat closed a race in a 52-second lap as 41-year old. He never broke 1:48 in the 800. So Lagat is now a speed monster? Closing a long-distance race quick is more of a sign of supreme aerobic ability, as in "there is a lot left in the tank at the end" rather than raw, sprint speed.