Why don't you see many Asians running in college in the US?

Long leg to torso ratio here:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DA63M7/suguru-osako-jpn-june-8-2013-athletics-the-97th-japan-track-field-DA63M7.jpg

That makes sense

No, it doesn't. My reply on that is above.

David, are you Chinese or Korean American or something else?

It's obvious from your self loathing in this and other threads that you are looking for excuses for why you suck. As a Chinese American, I don't appreciate you trying to knock the abilities of Asians in running. Asians can hold their own in running. Japanese, Koreans (even North Koreans), and Chinese have all won medals at the World Championship or Olympic marathons, and several times Asians have had 2 of the 3 medals.

One example is the 1999 World Champs women's marathon. A North Korean won, Japanese 2nd, both beating the Ethiopian Olympic champion in 4th, Japanese 8th, Chinese (former World Champs 10,000 medalist) 12th, Japanese 16th and 17th, all before the first American in 32nd. The Japanese woman who would win the 2000 Oympic marathon, and was also the first woman to break 2:20 was a DNF in that race.

1992 Olympic men's marathon: S. Korean 1st, Japanese 2nd.

I already said I know from my own experience that I have distance running talent. My brother did too, though he only ran his freshman year in HS. He had an injury, Osgood Schlatter's, that prevented him from continuing. (He's 49 now, and still has knee pain if he tries to run now.) One time we went to an all-comers track meet, about 5-7 years after he had last run a step in training. He was curious how fast he could run a mile, so he hopped into the 2 mile (we got there late, missed the mile race) and dropped out after the mile mark. He ran 5:07 or 5:08. Not bad. If he could have actually trained and was motivated, I think he had at least 4:15 mile talent, and possibly a lot better. He's a dude who hopped onto a pull up bar and knocked off 25 pull ups in a row off of no training, and whose skin looks paper thin/veins popping out no fat even with not that much exercise (plus 6'2, 150, long legs).

definitely culture thing for chinese.

i seen a great female chinese runner here pull off 2:54 for her first marathon. definitely had potential to OTQ using normal shoes. husband barred her from running once she started getting attention

No, I am white

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

definitely culture thing for chinese.

i seen a great female chinese runner here pull off 2:54 for her first marathon. definitely had potential to OTQ using normal shoes. husband barred her from running once she started getting attention

Why would the husband do that?

david45 wrote:

No, I am white

That's a relief, kind of.

david45 wrote:

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

definitely culture thing for chinese.

i seen a great female chinese runner here pull off 2:54 for her first marathon. definitely had potential to OTQ using normal shoes. husband barred her from running once she started getting attention

Why would the husband do that?

Have you read any Sally Vixen posts?

donuts wrote:

Your #4 is something that is overrated for running, and, in any case, the spread for the Asian dots on the graph you link pretty much covers the gamut (especially considering the large population pool) except for Aus/NZ (not sure what PNG is).

PNG = Papua New Guinea. It is considered a country in Oceania, even though it shares an island with Indonesia.

donuts wrote:

david45 wrote:

No, I am white

That's a relief, kind of.

How is it a relief?

david45 wrote:

donuts wrote:

That's a relief, kind of.

How is it a relief?

You are slow and also loud and whiny about it, so it would spread the false premise that Asians are not talented at running. I'm glad it isn't an Asian spraying self loathe. It would make Asians look bad. You are not really making whites look bad because as the majority, people don't pigeonhole whites quite as much as minorities in the US.

JamesTheAmateur wrote:Is that the guy that shredded the sole of his foot from running the majority of an indoor 5000 missing a shoe?

johnfromSJ wrote:

Not trying to be racist, but as an Asian I have to say we have much less running talent compared than other races. A 17 min 5k for an Asian is probably equal to a 16 min 5k for a caucasian. It's apparent at my mostly Asian HS, where the top runner ran a 16 min 5k, whereas the top runner at a mostly white HS would run 15 min. While it's more PC to say that we're more focused on academics, the truth is that we can't keep up in races.

So how do you explain Japan?

recentGrad wrote:

johnfromSJ wrote:

Not trying to be racist, but as an Asian I have to say we have much less running talent compared than other races. A 17 min 5k for an Asian is probably equal to a 16 min 5k for a caucasian. It's apparent at my mostly Asian HS, where the top runner ran a 16 min 5k, whereas the top runner at a mostly white HS would run 15 min. While it's more PC to say that we're more focused on academics, the truth is that we can't keep up in races.

So how do you explain Japan?

Because they train with way more mileage than any other country, yet aren't that much faster

donuts wrote:

david45 wrote:

How is it a relief?

You are slow and also loud and whiny about it, so it would spread the false premise that Asians are not talented at running. I'm glad it isn't an Asian spraying self loathe. It would make Asians look bad. You are not really making whites look bad because as the majority, people don't pigeonhole whites quite as much as minorities in the US.

Complaining is whiny?

david45 wrote:

recentGrad wrote:

So how do you explain Japan?

Because they train with way more mileage than any other country, yet aren't that much faster

They are much faster than all countries except for Kenya and Ethiopia. For example in 2018, they had 16 guys run sub-2:10. The US had one guy. 16 to 1 is no contest.

You don't get brownie points for running lower mileage. At that level, runners are doing the training that they think will make them fastest. If they are running lower mileage, that's because they think that is faster for them. If they thought they could run faster with more mileage, but didn't do that mileage, they would just be lazy. You don't get bumped in race results because you run less mileage.

Also, not all Japanese run super high mileage. Kawauchi only runs about 80 mpw.

So based on david45's reddit history, this is what he thinks.

He thinks that high school/college sports aren't a thing outside the U.S., so if there are no Asians in the U.S. College XC/track scene, then it must be that Asians suck at distance running. That's why he's held on to his incorrect thought of "no Asians win medals in track/running in the Olympics hurr durr", which he's made a number of reddit threads on, and ignoring everybody who tells him that he is factually incorrect.

No, it definitely can't be that the college/university distance running scene in Japan is big enough that aspiring athletes don't need the NCAA for exposure.

donuts wrote:

david45 wrote:

That is a trend I notice as well. In high schools with a large Asian population as seen in many places in California and with a XC team dominated by Asians, the fastest runners tend to be non-Asian

The 3200 school record holder (9:07) at the high school I graduated from is a Chinese American.

I'd be curious to see the training those Californians are doing, then, David. The idea that Asians are inferior at running is racist at worst and presumptive at best. There are other factors to consider. Asian culture is known for demanding academic excellence and downplaying the importance of sports. I can't help but wonder if those Californian kids you mentioned spend their summers doing extra studying rather than putting in enough miles for themselves.