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It's a Conspiracy!
I can't believe people can be as stupid as the OP. I remember when Fauci said not to wear marks. I thought to myself, "Why in the hell wouldn't a mask help?"
OP, do you not understand that if you cough into a mask, you will release way fewer droplets into the air than if you don't have a mask? What's so hard about wearing a GD mask?
We're not saying if you wear a mask you won't get Covid. We're just saying if everyone wears a mask, the RO of the disease will go down.
rojo wrote:
OP, do you not understand that if you cough into a mask, you will release way fewer droplets into the air than if you don't have a mask?
So if sick people wear masks then fewer people will get sick. But that isn't what is being mandated. Governments are forcing healthy people to wear masks. Explain how masks stop the spread of the disease by people who aren't spreading it to begin with.
And don't come back with that "asymptomatic people can spread the disease" tripe. Asymptomatic people by definition aren't experiencing symptoms - they aren't coughing and they aren't sneezing. A mask does nothing to affect their non-spreading of the disease. The WHO already accidentally let slip the truth that asymptomatic people aren't spreading the disease.
BTW, everything the "must-wear-masks" crowd is saying about masks stopping disease spread is just as true about the flu as it is for COVID. Nobody in that crowd gives a damn about flu deaths.
High Country Master wrote:
rojo wrote:
OP, do you not understand that if you cough into a mask, you will release way fewer droplets into the air than if you don't have a mask?
So if sick people wear masks then fewer people will get sick. But that isn't what is being mandated. Governments are forcing healthy people to wear masks. Explain how masks stop the spread of the disease by people who aren't spreading it to begin with.
And don't come back with that "asymptomatic people can spread the disease" tripe. Asymptomatic people by definition aren't experiencing symptoms - they aren't coughing and they aren't sneezing. A mask does nothing to affect their non-spreading of the disease. The WHO already accidentally let slip the truth that asymptomatic people aren't spreading the disease.
BTW, everything the "must-wear-masks" crowd is saying about masks stopping disease spread is just as true about the flu as it is for COVID. Nobody in that crowd gives a damn about flu deaths.
1) People who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic do occasionally cough and sneeze even if such coughing and sneezing is not caused by COVID.
2) People who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic also occasionally talk, clear their throats, and breathe - all of which do send out virus particles.
3) People who are mild-symptomatic often think that they have a cold or allergies and hence would not wear a mask if mask wearing was not the norm/mandatory.
I could go on but I am going to assume that you have some intelligence and you can figure it out from here with just this little 1), 2), 3) kick start to get you going.
High Country Master wrote:
rojo wrote:
OP, do you not understand that if you cough into a mask, you will release way fewer droplets into the air than if you don't have a mask?
So if sick people wear masks then fewer people will get sick. But that isn't what is being mandated. Governments are forcing healthy people to wear masks. Explain how masks stop the spread of the disease by people who aren't spreading it to begin with.
And don't come back with that "asymptomatic people can spread the disease" tripe. Asymptomatic people by definition aren't experiencing symptoms - they aren't coughing and they aren't sneezing. A mask does nothing to affect their non-spreading of the disease. The WHO already accidentally let slip the truth that asymptomatic people aren't spreading the disease.
BTW, everything the "must-wear-masks" crowd is saying about masks stopping disease spread is just as true about the flu as it is for COVID. Nobody in that crowd gives a damn about flu deaths.
Oh yeah, and the flu does not routinely kill hundreds of thousands in the US even with masks, social distancing, etc in place. The flu, each year without such precautions, does not kill a million people in the US.
Seriously, how could these things not be obvious to you?
Allen53 wrote:
Face masks
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) website plainly states that cloth face masks “Will not protect the wearer against airborne transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit and lack of seal or inadequate filtration.”
But, what about surgical masks? OHSA is clear here also that they “will not protect the wearer against airborne transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit and lack of seal or inadequate filtration.”
But then right under these statements, OSHA furiously backpedaled by adding an FAQ section on COVID-19 directly underneath and stated,
OSHA generally recommends that employers encourage workers to wear face coverings at work. Face coverings are intended to prevent wearers who have Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) without knowing it (i.e., those who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic) from spreading potentially infectious respiratory droplets to others. This is known as source control.
Consistent with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendation for all people to wear cloth face coverings when in public and around other people, wearing cloth face coverings, if appropriate for the work environment and job tasks, conserves other types of personal protective equipment (PPE), such as surgical masks, for healthcare settings where such equipment is needed most.
So, wearing a face mask cannot protect you from getting COVID, but it is supposedly able to keep someone else from getting it from you? OSHA is speaking out of both sides of its mouth. What it calls “source control” likely puts the real motive out in the open: since you are the source, it’s about controlling YOU. There is no true scientific rationale for anyone but the sick and medical workers to wear masks.
The truly healthy have no business wearing a mask, period.
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https://technocracy.news/the-miserable-pseudo-science-behind-face-masks-social-distancing-and-contact-tracing/
Allen: Face masks don't work.
Also Allen: Save face masks for health care workers because they are necessary for them and work.
And if everyone wears a mask in public spaces that are indoors, then we don't need to worry about if masks protect the one who wears them or everyone else. Because now everyone is protected to a much higher degree if everyone wears them and we maintain six feet apart.
Countries that adopted masks early on did much better. This really isn't that hard. Why risk killing someone because you are too arrogant to get out of your own way?
[quote]fisky wrote:
I wear N95 masks while mowing, sanding, and painting. I can tell a difference. I'll continue to wear mine when I'm shopping. I realize the particles are smaller, but the static effect should trap some. Trapping some might be the difference between fighting it off or getting super sick.[quote]
I have an N95 mask, which I took the filter out of and replaced it with sunscreen material that lets the air flow through freely. I don't wear any mask any time, unless required to enter a store, which I did yesterday. Once inside the store, one of the employees was helping me to find something, and on impulse I ripped the mask off and said "this is too hot."
The employee, who was standing next to me about 2 feet away took his mask off too and said "I hate these things." I said, "they are stupid and should not be required." We continued talking a few minutes, then I continued my shopping through the store still not wearing the mask, that was hanging from the strap on my neck, and no one else said a word to me about it.
A better name for a mask is a "Breathing Restrictor."
fisky wrote:
I wear N95 masks while mowing, sanding, and painting. I can tell a difference. I'll continue to wear mine when I'm shopping. I realize the particles are smaller, but the static effect should trap some. Trapping some might be the difference between fighting it off or getting super sick.
I have an N95 mask, which I took the filter out of and replaced it with sunscreen material that lets the air flow through freely. I don't wear any mask any time, unless required to enter a store, which I did yesterday. Once inside the store, one of the employees was helping me to find something, and on impulse I ripped the mask off and said "this is too hot."
The employee, who was standing next to me about 2 feet away took his mask off too and said "I hate these things." I said, "they are stupid and should not be required." We continued talking a few minutes, then I continued my shopping through the store still not wearing the mask, that was hanging from the strap on my neck, and no one else said a word to me about it.
A better name for a mask is a "Breathing Restrictor."
Hospitals killed THOUSANDS of people by putting them on ventilators. Sickening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ They murdered thousands and sent the USA into a panic.
rojo wrote:
I can't believe people can be as stupid as the OP. I remember when Fauci said not to wear marks. I thought to myself, "Why in the hell wouldn't a mask help?"
OP, do you not understand that if you cough into a mask, you will release way fewer droplets into the air than if you don't have a mask? What's so hard about wearing a GD mask?
We're not saying if you wear a mask you won't get Covid. We're just saying if everyone wears a mask, the RO of the disease will go down.
Your understanding of disease is remedial rojo. You are stuck in medieval times.
If you believe anything Fauci says and then have the audacity to call someone else stupid you do need to reconsider your critical thinking abilities. Fauci is a hack- he is paid to sell big pharma shares- that's it. you know his corrupt history right? You've done your homework here right? No- you haven't.
There is no evidence or scientific studies to prove anything you have said. Probably why you chose the ad hominem and avoided citing any sources for your boneheaded claim.
Wearing a mask is bad for your health. This is not up for debate. Healthy people walking around wearing masks is pure lunacy- you go ahead and be one of those lunatics- no thanks here.
It's also pretty interesting to note that the mask zealots claim they are doing this for Grandma but why are they so silent on the scandals involving nursing homes deaths and Covid payola. Take away those deaths worldwide and there is no covid fake pandemic narrative. Notice that hypocrisy?
Oh and why was the media silent on who exactly all those dead bodies were at first- they were those elderly from nursing homes which we didn't learn until later. Had the media and doctors reported this the entire BS would never have gained any traction. What would you call those omissions? Look at the consequences. But no- not a word about that.
The masks also symbolize that you believe in the entire false narrative. Even Fauci in his mea culpa couldn't bring himself to say anything of a scientific nature on the value and stated it to be symbolic.
Enjoy your mask and your headache and your increased acid level in your bloodstream. But please don't ask others to wear them. I know workers who have to spend their entire shifts in them and they hate them and have one story after the next about how these masks negatively impact their health. Those promoting the use of masks are not only anti-science but also promote the damaging of workers health.
And you actually believe any of this Covid garbage? Even the slightest tug at any of the threads and the entire fable unravels.
Oh and you desperately need a Virology 101 course.
little known fact wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
Face masks
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) website plainly states that cloth face masks “Will not protect the wearer against airborne transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit and lack of seal or inadequate filtration.”
But, what about surgical masks? OHSA is clear here also that they “will not protect the wearer against airborne transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit and lack of seal or inadequate filtration.”
But then right under these statements, OSHA furiously backpedaled by adding an FAQ section on COVID-19 directly underneath and stated,
OSHA generally recommends that employers encourage workers to wear face coverings at work. Face coverings are intended to prevent wearers who have Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) without knowing it (i.e., those who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic) from spreading potentially infectious respiratory droplets to others. This is known as source control.
Consistent with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendation for all people to wear cloth face coverings when in public and around other people, wearing cloth face coverings, if appropriate for the work environment and job tasks, conserves other types of personal protective equipment (PPE), such as surgical masks, for healthcare settings where such equipment is needed most.
So, wearing a face mask cannot protect you from getting COVID, but it is supposedly able to keep someone else from getting it from you? OSHA is speaking out of both sides of its mouth. What it calls “source control” likely puts the real motive out in the open: since you are the source, it’s about controlling YOU. There is no true scientific rationale for anyone but the sick and medical workers to wear masks.
The truly healthy have no business wearing a mask, period.
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https://technocracy.news/the-miserable-pseudo-science-behind-face-masks-social-distancing-and-contact-tracing/Allen: Face masks don't work.
Also Allen: Save face masks for health care workers because they are necessary for them and work.
And if everyone wears a mask in public spaces that are indoors, then we don't need to worry about if masks protect the one who wears them or everyone else. Because now everyone is protected to a much higher degree if everyone wears them and we maintain six feet apart.
Countries that adopted masks early on did much better. This really isn't that hard. Why risk killing someone because you are too arrogant to get out of your own way?
Very few facts is your true moniker.
If a porous mask allows you to breathe in air it’s only logical it would permit microscopic viral particles to enter. In January the world’s population would’ve been a lot better off, if socks were placed in the mouth of WHO and CDC officials. Perhaps, it could’ve prevented the promotion of a manufactured crisis given credence by global health organizations working in cahoots with the national security state.
Think about it, if COVID-19 is as deadly to humanity as the security state and stooge medical specialists say it is the National Guard would be wearing hazmat suits breaking up all the demonstrations announcing that large gatherings are a threat to human life.
An article in early April 2020 on the website Medpagetoday entitled: Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients says:
“A small study from South Korea cast doubt on the ability of surgical or cotton face masks to effectively prevent dissemination of COVID-19 coronavirus from the coughs of infected
patients. Median viral loads did not differ significantly when comparing coughing samples of COVID-19 patients without a mask, with a surgical mask, and with a cloth mask, suggesting these masks were ineffective at filtering SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, reported Sung-Han Kim, MD, of University of Ulsan College of Medicine in Seoul, South Korea, and colleagues.
In a letter published in Annals of Internal Medicine, they cited the size of viral particles as a possible reason for masks’ poor ability to filter the virus, despite their effectiveness against other respiratory infections.” Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients
The political symbolism of wearing a mask is obvious it demonstrates acquiescence to the official narrative, but more importantly it iconographically keeps the COVID-19 crisis “alive.” This brings to mind the winners and losers of every crisis. In the case of COVID-19 the mask industry has flourished, but I bet Juvederm Stock has taken a dive. After all, why waste hundreds of dollars injecting a plumper into your lips if it’s covered with a mask. For that matter, lipstick manufacturers must also be suffering since it’s totally impractical and way too messy to apply lipstick and then a mask.
Oh, and by the way now that the data reveals respirators are killers for treating COVID-19 maybe, it would’ve been wiser to spend those millions on hazmat suits for protecting medical personnel.
Allen53 wrote:
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If a porous mask allows you to breathe in air it’s only logical it would permit microscopic viral particles to enter. In January the world’s population would’ve been a lot better off, if socks were placed in the mouth of WHO and CDC officials. Perhaps, it could’ve prevented the promotion of a manufactured crisis given credence by global health organizations working in cahoots with the national security state.
That's an excellent idea!
Allen53 wrote:
little known fact wrote:
Allen: Face masks don't work.
Also Allen: Save face masks for health care workers because they are necessary for them and work.
And if everyone wears a mask in public spaces that are indoors, then we don't need to worry about if masks protect the one who wears them or everyone else. Because now everyone is protected to a much higher degree if everyone wears them and we maintain six feet apart.
Countries that adopted masks early on did much better. This really isn't that hard. Why risk killing someone because you are too arrogant to get out of your own way?
Very few facts is your true moniker.
If a porous mask allows you to breathe in air it’s only logical it would permit microscopic viral particles to enter. In January the world’s population would’ve been a lot better off, if socks were placed in the mouth of WHO and CDC officials. Perhaps, it could’ve prevented the promotion of a manufactured crisis given credence by global health organizations working in cahoots with the national security state.
Think about it, if COVID-19 is as deadly to humanity as the security state and stooge medical specialists say it is the National Guard would be wearing hazmat suits breaking up all the demonstrations announcing that large gatherings are a threat to human life.
An article in early April 2020 on the website Medpagetoday entitled: Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients says:
“A small study from South Korea cast doubt on the ability of surgical or cotton face masks to effectively prevent dissemination of COVID-19 coronavirus from the coughs of infected
patients. Median viral loads did not differ significantly when comparing coughing samples of COVID-19 patients without a mask, with a surgical mask, and with a cloth mask, suggesting these masks were ineffective at filtering SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, reported Sung-Han Kim, MD, of University of Ulsan College of Medicine in Seoul, South Korea, and colleagues.
In a letter published in Annals of Internal Medicine, they cited the size of viral particles as a possible reason for masks’ poor ability to filter the virus, despite their effectiveness against other respiratory infections.” Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients
The political symbolism of wearing a mask is obvious it demonstrates acquiescence to the official narrative, but more importantly it iconographically keeps the COVID-19 crisis “alive.” This brings to mind the winners and losers of every crisis. In the case of COVID-19 the mask industry has flourished, but I bet Juvederm Stock has taken a dive. After all, why waste hundreds of dollars injecting a plumper into your lips if it’s covered with a mask. For that matter, lipstick manufacturers must also be suffering since it’s totally impractical and way too messy to apply lipstick and then a mask.
Oh, and by the way now that the data reveals respirators are killers for treating COVID-19 maybe, it would’ve been wiser to spend those millions on hazmat suits for protecting medical personnel.
Dude, Allen, you type too much without actually saying anything. It feels like talking to LateRunnerPhil where you bury the root of the contention in mounds of ramblings the way a lawyer buries his/her opponent in paperwork.
Still don't see how you claim masks only work for health care workers and not the general public. No one says they catch every virus. Water molecules are smaller than cloth fabric and can penetrate it, but if someone was shooting water from a firehose at me, I'd rather be behind a wall of cloth so that the impact wasn't as great. So same with masks. And when both the sick person and the non-sick person have one, the transmission is even less. The more virus transmitted, the higher likelihood of infection. That's not deniable.
little known fact wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
Very few facts is your true moniker.
If a porous mask allows you to breathe in air it’s only logical it would permit microscopic viral particles to enter. In January the world’s population would’ve been a lot better off, if socks were placed in the mouth of WHO and CDC officials. Perhaps, it could’ve prevented the promotion of a manufactured crisis given credence by global health organizations working in cahoots with the national security state.
Think about it, if COVID-19 is as deadly to humanity as the security state and stooge medical specialists say it is the National Guard would be wearing hazmat suits breaking up all the demonstrations announcing that large gatherings are a threat to human life.
An article in early April 2020 on the website Medpagetoday entitled: Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients says:
“A small study from South Korea cast doubt on the ability of surgical or cotton face masks to effectively prevent dissemination of COVID-19 coronavirus from the coughs of infected
patients. Median viral loads did not differ significantly when comparing coughing samples of COVID-19 patients without a mask, with a surgical mask, and with a cloth mask, suggesting these masks were ineffective at filtering SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, reported Sung-Han Kim, MD, of University of Ulsan College of Medicine in Seoul, South Korea, and colleagues.
In a letter published in Annals of Internal Medicine, they cited the size of viral particles as a possible reason for masks’ poor ability to filter the virus, despite their effectiveness against other respiratory infections.” Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients
The political symbolism of wearing a mask is obvious it demonstrates acquiescence to the official narrative, but more importantly it iconographically keeps the COVID-19 crisis “alive.” This brings to mind the winners and losers of every crisis. In the case of COVID-19 the mask industry has flourished, but I bet Juvederm Stock has taken a dive. After all, why waste hundreds of dollars injecting a plumper into your lips if it’s covered with a mask. For that matter, lipstick manufacturers must also be suffering since it’s totally impractical and way too messy to apply lipstick and then a mask.
Oh, and by the way now that the data reveals respirators are killers for treating COVID-19 maybe, it would’ve been wiser to spend those millions on hazmat suits for protecting medical personnel.
Dude, Allen, you type too much without actually saying anything. It feels like talking to LateRunnerPhil where you bury the root of the contention in mounds of ramblings the way a lawyer buries his/her opponent in paperwork.
Still don't see how you claim masks only work for health care workers and not the general public. No one says they catch every virus. Water molecules are smaller than cloth fabric and can penetrate it, but if someone was shooting water from a firehose at me, I'd rather be behind a wall of cloth so that the impact wasn't as great. So same with masks. And when both the sick person and the non-sick person have one, the transmission is even less. The more virus transmitted, the higher likelihood of infection. That's not deniable.
You all are confusing terms. A “face covering”, a “face mask” and a “respirator” are 3 different things. OSHA is correct.
A face mask is not a respirator and is not designed or intended to protect the user.(although it may offer slight protection to the user). A face covering reduces spread from a potentially infected person.
Therefore slowing or preventing transmission In many cases.
Health care workers who are treating COViD or suspect COViD patients would use a respirator which would protect the user and patients (assuming there is no exhalation valve)
It's apparent that threads about fake moon landings are now manifesting in Covid hoax threads. Same psychology at work.
Allen53 shows his coddled, rich, soft-handed upbringing.
Men and women on the front-lines of American production (construction, medicine, mining, etc.) have been wearing a variety of masks and respirators for entire shifts for DECADES and there has been no documented health effects.
If he had ever worked a day in his life, or even interacted with the blue-collar men and women who push our country forward, he would know how stupid he sounds.
Chalk this one up to living in a bubble, folks.
How are we to know who is sick and who is not? Symptoms take 3-5 days to develop. Tests can take up to 36 hrs to be confirmed, this should be WAY shorter.
So,
Universal masking is sadly required because we didn't scale our test apparatus fast enough, despite the months warning.
rojo wrote:
I can't believe people can be as stupid as the OP. I remember when Fauci said not to wear marks. I thought to myself, "Why in the hell wouldn't a mask help?"
OP, do you not understand that if you cough into a mask, you will release way fewer droplets into the air than if you don't have a mask? What's so hard about wearing a GD mask?
We're not saying if you wear a mask you won't get Covid. We're just saying if everyone wears a mask, the RO of the disease will go down.
Rofl, Rojo from the top rope!!
Goodnight!!!
Allen53 wrote:
[quote]rojo wrote:
I know workers who have to spend their entire shifts in them and they hate them and have one story after the next about how these masks negatively impact their health.
No you don't. You made that up.
Allen53 wrote:
Pure arrogance- typical of those who think they have a patent on defining the parameters of science and who gets to be "in the club." Yours is exactly the expression of a corrupted priesthood and in this case whose allegiance is to the corporation (virtually all of what passes for "science" these days is corrupted by corporate grant money) and whose practices are those of bought off cultists who serve those corporations.
If you were actually a decent scientist- if you are one at all- you would have humility and would be doing, well, science. Instead you did an "appeal to authority" argument- classic logical fallacy- and proved your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance.
How many different scientists who reject the Covid narrative shall I cite for you to get your "science-y" mind to look into new information which true scientists always seek.
Every post of yours is railing the same dogma, which suggests that you don't have the temperament to be a good scientist.
A good scientist does not spend all their time pushing their pet hypothesis. All you do is post diatribes and change the subject repeatedly when faced with contradictory evidence.
There is little attempt to engage with actual scientific literature in any of your posts, most citing blogs and others that don't even pretend to carry a sense of rigor.
Here's what you've said over the months:
1) COVID won't spread in the USA
2) COVID won't kill many people
3) The deaths are faked
4) Masks are a conspiracy
5) COVID isn't real
When all of your arguments conveniently fall on ONE political side of a hot-button, ever changing issue, it's easy to see you are completely blinded by dogma and far from rational. Sorry bro
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Red Bull (who sponsors Mondo) calls Mondo the pole vaulting Usain Bolt. Is that a fair comparison?