COVID 19 sure is a weird disease.

Good comeback I guess?

kibitzer wrote:

Anyway, much thanks in advance for those links. Personally, I would love it if not another person was sickened or killed by the virus.

People will never not die or get sick.

Well, we don't know yet if going to a Trump rally is dangerous, but with any luck that will be confirmed in a couple weeks. We'll all get better, more accurate information in ~6 months after the election and more stable individuals are running things.

This is not directed to any one Poser in particular:

Politicians and biased news sources have made this political, but it is not political. Reading this thread it is clear that many of the posers are either trying to stir up discord (Russian or Chinese or others trying to divide the US) or they are getting news from highly biased sources. There have been only a few reasonable posts.

Scientific consensus can be found by reading scientific papers, listening to the CDC and WHO, etc. Read multiple news sources leaning right and left and you will find some overlap. Their opinions on handling the crisis and who to blame (as if there was someone to blame) will be different, but the facts will overlap in many cases. Though there are highly biased sources that won't report any facts, just opinions. People need to recognize this and look elsewhere.

There is a lot of anger and blaming of "somebody else" in the US. The goal of pandemic response is to save lives. It is not always easy. An authoritarian approach will alienate even those who want an authoritarian government. A laissez-faire approach almost guarantees it will run rampant. Americans have a choice in most cases. Try listening to guidelines that make sense that can be reasonably followed. Wash hands, social distance, masks in populated places.

If you are a conservative, wouldn't you err on the side of caution?

If you are a liberal, wouldn't you look for the best information possible and follow it?

Yesterday, the US had 26,071 new cases and 809 deaths.

The UK, France, Italy, Germany and Spain (roughly 324 mil combined population) had collectively 3,378 new cases and 272 deaths.

Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan and S. Korea (roughly 300 mil combined population) had a combined total of 30,606 cases and 1,217 combined total deaths. Those are not yesterday's totals. Those are the totals for the entire duration of the pandemic to date.

There are also many other success stories from the Nordics (minus Sweden) to Oceania to the Balkans (minus Djokovic's stupid tennis tournament), Israel, Greece, Ireland, and so on.

In the US, we are pretending like there are no alternatives to how the US has approached the virus and we now have no choice but to either go out and get sick or withdraw from society and hope the vaccine comes soon. But the reality is that the path to beating the virus is well worn. It does not require an autocratic society. It does not require an extremely rich society. What it does require is a society where the government, the business community and the public all come together to listen to the public health experts and follow the rules as long as it takes to get the virus under control.

No one has said that BLM rallies are safe. All health experts have cautioned people about these rallies. Some people think it's worth the risk. Like some people think it's worth the risk to go to bars and restaurants.

No one as said Wallmart and Lowes are safe. They are just deemed essential.

Many people think religious institutions are essential and would be willing to take the risk.

There have been several community spread outbreaks linked to religious services. As far as I know, there have been none linked to shopped.

Your making a straw man argument to try to point out hypocrisy where none exists.

I will add this: the virus seems to spread more in enclosed places, and more so when you are in constant proximity to someone with the virus. At least that is what the health experts think. Thus, some of the recommendations - religious services are typically an hour or more, seated in an indoor place. Same as political rallies (some of those are outside).

emPATHETIC wrote:

I will never understand how someone with a conscious could vote for Donald Trump.

I sincerely fear for what will become of our country if we elect this failed reality tv clown to a second term.

Precious Roy wrote:

Yesterday, the US had 26,071 new cases and 809 deaths.

There is no point making this silly claim anymore. The cases are because they're manically testing everyone, and the "deaths" are substantially fake data.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Yesterday, the US had 26,071 new cases and 809 deaths.

There is no point making this silly claim anymore. The cases are because they're manically testing everyone, and the "deaths" are substantially fake data.

10 times more cases in 1 day than you projected TOTAL, bro. Give it up.

Also look up percent positive tests. It's a cool advanced mathematical way to partially account for increases in testing. Basically you use division:

GoodIntentions;-) wrote:

Are you daft? Every hospital, mine included, has lost tons of money through COVID via the cancellation of elective surgeries, outpatient procedures, etc. They’ve furloughed and laid off tons of employees. How, exactly, would people make money off of COVID? Still waiting on this mysterious “data”.

He's not saying that hospitals are making more money in general since Covid came around.. He's saying they receive more for positive Covid diagnoses than they would for diagnosing something else, which is true and what causes many to question the validity of these number "facts".

You realize france spain and the uk all have much higher deaths per million right? Just a matter of timing when places peak.

Stats are easily manipulated and often end up as apple to oranges comparison. Do you think Germany really did that much better than Belgium or france or italy or Switzerland? Their death rate per case is much better but the virus doesn't magically kill fewer people once it crosses Germany's borders. This is likely all in how the are counting deaths.

Lockdowns are foolish at this point. Did they save anyone? I think we are getting good evidence they killed more see above poster on missed mi and stroke. You will find equally disconcerting stats on decreased cancer diagnoses. Then add in increased suicides and substance abuse. We totally blew it all to save old dead people. Half the deaths were in nursing homes for goodness sakes. Average age of death is upward of 80. This is all before you add in the economic damage.

All the lockdowns have to end sometime and long before we have a vaccine so what is going to stop said nursing home resident contracting it in 6 months? We are just pushing back the inevitable.

are YOU daft? wrote:

GoodIntentions;-) wrote:

Are you daft? Every hospital, mine included, has lost tons of money through COVID via the cancellation of elective surgeries, outpatient procedures, etc. They’ve furloughed and laid off tons of employees. How, exactly, would people make money off of COVID? Still waiting on this mysterious “data”.

He's not saying that hospitals are making more money in general since Covid came around.. He's saying they receive more for positive Covid diagnoses than they would for diagnosing something else, which is true and what causes many to question the validity of these number "facts".

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-are-hospitals-paid-more-for-treating-coronavirus-patients/65-9ab9237b-24ac-4fee-b308-a7a71aae2bd1

You’re missing the point entirely. Even if hospitals WERE making more on COVID patients (they’re not), the treatment of COVID patients means drastically reducing overall patient load, thus bleeding a TON of money. Your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Literally everyone wants the pandemic over. Who benefits from this?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Yesterday, the US had 26,071 new cases and 809 deaths.

There is no point making this silly claim anymore. The cases are because they're manically testing everyone, and the "deaths" are substantially fake data.

So if they don't "manically" test everyone the cases don't exist?

Have you read much about the two people whom you're treating as interchangeable? (I think you probably have.)

After accusing Kavanaugh, Professor Christine Blasey Ford was hounded and threatened so relentlessly that she was unable to return to work and had to hire bodyguards. She took a polygraph that produced the result "not indicative of deception." Offered a book deal, she refused it, saying that she was focused on recovering from the experience and returning to her job responsibilities.

To avoid her many debts, Tara Reade has repeatedly relocated and changed her name. She told one landlord, "You're going to have to pay me to get me to leave" and was described by another (a female attorney) as a "manipulative, deceitful, user." She claimed she was forced out of her job because she had complained about workplace harassment, but her office's systems administrator, whose desk was next to hers, told NewsHour that she was fired for poor performance, which he witnessed.

Do you say in complete sincerity that you think people on the political left are all hypocrites because they see distinctions here?

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Wearing masks and avoiding large INDOOR gatherings has proven effective. Exercising outdoors has proven to be pretty safe. This isn't hard to understand. Being sedentary in a confined space with little air flow while interacting with virus carriers is spreading the disease. The same pattern as influenza spread.

so then fall xc shouldn’t be a danger? correct

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Rona wrote:

Protestors on the street are immune, but people who go to a Trump rally or the Republican convention are in mortal danger. It's incredibly dangerous in small businesses and barber shops, but huge retailers like Wal Mart and Lowes remain open because apparently the virus avoids them. Churches are particularly dangerous, unless a funeral for BLM icon is taking place in one, then the virus skips it as well.

1) Who said protestors are immune?

2) Who said the virus avoids huge retailers?

3) Who said the virus skips BLM funerals?

I'm glad I'll never have a tiny intelligence like you.

the liberals leaders seem to be real quite about it

+2 lets not forget about democrat leader putting corona virus makeshift hospitals RIGHT next to the retirement homes. the dems ignore that. then they say trump didn’t do enough to stop they spread but when he said he was gonna close the borders to china they called him a. racist.

Great Hill TC wrote:

Do you say in complete sincerity that you think people on the political left are all hypocrites because they see distinctions here?

"Ford still can’t recall basic details of what she says was the most traumatic event in her life. Not where the “assault” took place — she’s not sure whose house it was, or even what street it was on. Nor when — she’s not even sure of the year, let alone the day and month."

"Worse, the four other people she identified as attending the party, including Kavanaugh, all deny knowledge of the gathering in question, including Leland Ingham Keyser, who she calls a “lifelong friend.”"

"Her own immediate family doesn’t appear to be backing her up, either. Her mother, father and two siblings are all conspicuously absent from a letter of support released by a dozen relatives, mostly on her husband’s side of the family."

"In another inconsistency, Ford told The Washington Post she was upset when Trump won in 2016, because Kavanaugh was mentioned as a Supreme Court pick. But Kavanaugh wasn’t added to Trump’s list of possibles until November 2017, a full year later."

That last one sounds like a lie to me.

You tell me if leftists are hypocrites or not.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Rona wrote:

Protestors on the street are immune, but people who go to a Trump rally or the Republican convention are in mortal danger. It's incredibly dangerous in small businesses and barber shops, but huge retailers like Wal Mart and Lowes remain open because apparently the virus avoids them. Churches are particularly dangerous, unless a funeral for BLM icon is taking place in one, then the virus skips it as well.

1) Who said protestors are immune?

2) Who said the virus avoids huge retailers?

3) Who said the virus skips BLM funerals?

I'm glad I'll never have a tiny intelligence like you.

Me thinks Rona's facetious intention flew over your head somewhat...