Team Ingebrigtsen vs. Team Bowerman

Jager-4:52

Centro-4:53

Lopez or Fisher-4:57

More consistent as a whole, but still not enough to beat Jakob

Jager Stans wrote:

Jager-4:52

Centro-4:53

Lopez or Fisher-4:57

More consistent as a whole, but still not enough to beat Jakob

Assuming prime shape:

Ahmed- 4:53

Jager- 4:52

Lopez- 4:54

Hill- 4:54

assistant to the regional manager wrote:

Jager Stans wrote:

Jager-4:52

Centro-4:53

Lopez or Fisher-4:57

More consistent as a whole, but still not enough to beat Jakob

Assuming prime shape:

Ahmed- 4:53

Jager- 4:52

Lopez- 4:54

Hill- 4:54

*centro- 4:52

The brothers would probably win, and that’s completely wild. Three running brothers from Norway would beat the best the United States could offer up.

Jakob is one of those ridiculous runners who looks like he's going slower, but he's going faster. Others going all out full stride and he's just jogging along.

streak wrote:

The brothers would probably win, and that’s completely wild. Three running brothers from Norway would beat the best the United States could offer up.

Do you really think thats true though Ahmed beat jakob at world championships. Centro and lopez have better 5k times than jakob maybe a 3k would be a more fair. Who knows what fitness jager is at.

Bowerman every day of the week.

And for what it's worth, the Coconino Cowboys would have beaten Team Cheruiyot.

assistant to the regional manager wrote:

Jager Stans wrote:

Jager-4:52

Centro-4:53

Lopez or Fisher-4:57

More consistent as a whole, but still not enough to beat Jakob

Assuming prime shape:

Ahmed- 4:53

Jager- 4:52

Lopez- 4:54

Hill- 4:54

Mo Ahmed has run 3:40 and 3:56. There is no way he is running 4:53. He is much better as the distance gets longer. 2k is way too short for him.

Centro would likely be first, in top form, but would be a few seconds back from Jakob. I could see Lopez and/or Jager close to Centro if they’re in close to 1500m PR shape. Hill has solid wheels as well. In the Bekele 2,000m WR thread somebody posted that 4:50 for 2,000m converts to 3:30 for 1500. Nobody in Bowerman has run close to 3:30. They top BTC guy would be running 4:53.

I’d still take the Ingebrigtsen’s.

jack.ydn wrote:

streak wrote:

The brothers would probably win, and that’s completely wild. Three running brothers from Norway would beat the best the United States could offer up.

Do you really think thats true though Ahmed beat jakob at world championships. Centro and lopez have better 5k times than jakob maybe a 3k would be a more fair. Who knows what fitness jager is at.

Jakob did 13:02 in a championship race.

Whereas Centro did 13 flat in a tailored made race to do the best possible time, look at the documentary about it. They timed it right after altitude, peak form, with pacers, etc.

In the same conditions Jakob would have done 12:56 easy.

PLUS it was a year ago, when he was still 18 years old. Maybe he didn't progress, but I doubt it.

streak wrote:

The brothers would probably win, and that’s completely wild. Three running brothers from Norway would beat the best the United States could offer up.

Well this certainly isn’t the best the US can offer. Bowerman group is kinda trash right now. Outside of centro, none of these guys would be in my top 10 American 1500/milers right now. You could argue Jager, but he hasn’t been healthy in so long.

That said, they’d certainly have a chance against the top guys in the US with two 3:30 guys and the other brother not far back. Truly an athletic anomaly!

Starno wrote:

jack.ydn wrote:

Do you really think thats true though Ahmed beat jakob at world championships. Centro and lopez have better 5k times than jakob maybe a 3k would be a more fair. Who knows what fitness jager is at.

Jakob did 13:02 in a championship race.

Whereas Centro did 13 flat in a tailored made race to do the best possible time, look at the documentary about it. They timed it right after altitude, peak form, with pacers, etc.

In the same conditions Jakob would have done 12:56 easy.

PLUS it was a year ago, when he was still 18 years old. Maybe he didn't progress, but I doubt it.

I agree. If they did a 5k, I still think Jakob would be the fastest. However Bowerman stands a better chance of winning overall than with a 2k. Henrik is running really well right now and might mix it up with the Bowerman guys but I’m gonna pick Ahmed for 2nd. I think Lopez and Henrik would battle for 3rd. I think another Bowerman guy like Centro or Kinkaid or Jager beats Filip for 5th. The places could end up tied, and then it’s all about combined time. It would be interesting that’s for sure.

1. Jakob

2. Mo Ahmed

3. Henrik or Lopez Lomong

4. Henrik or Lopez Lomong

5. Gonna go with Centro

6. Filip

Bad Wigins wrote:

Jakob is one of those ridiculous runners who looks like he's going slower, but he's going faster. Others going all out full stride and he's just jogging along.

Agree with this. He doesn't have the build of Solinsky, but his legs still look extremely beefy and it's hard to reconcile that with how fast he's actually going.

A 5K showdown between these two teams would be pretty epic. Honestly, I like this format. When regular racing returns. I'd much rather see challenge races like this than the usual DL format, especially since they scrapped the 5K.

Team Ingebrigtsen vs. Bowerman TC vs. Team Kenya vs. Team Uganda vs. Team Ethiopia - 3 athletes per team, no pacers - just the lighting system. Crown an overall winner and a team title (all three athletes combined times). It's entertaining and we could see some really fast times with maybe 12 of 15 athletes breaking 13 minutes.

biggest problem is getting the Bowerman group to race.

macdaddy wrote:

streak wrote:

The brothers would probably win, and that’s completely wild. Three running brothers from Norway would beat the best the United States could offer up.

Well this certainly isn’t the best the US can offer. Bowerman group is kinda trash right now. Outside of centro, none of these guys would be in my top 10 American 1500/milers right now. You could argue Jager, but he hasn’t been healthy in so long.

That said, they’d certainly have a chance against the top guys in the US with two 3:30 guys and the other brother not far back. Truly an athletic anomaly!

Huh? Trash? Ahmed just ran 26:59 in a “championship race” in Doha, and will likely run 26:40 very soon. Your hero Jakob tripped him no less than 4 times over just one lap in the 5000m, and Moh still beat him. BTC has Kincaid, Centro, and Lopez at 12:58-13:00. Fisher ran 7:37 (?) indoors. Jager is a 3:32/13:02 guy, and is rumored to be in better shape currently. Hill has run 7:30. I’d say your analysis is either a bit dramatic, poorly educated, or misdirected. Anyone that types the word “kinda”...well, it’s probably all three.

streak wrote:

1. Jakob

2. Mo Ahmed

3. Henrik or Lopez Lomong

4. Henrik or Lopez Lomong

5. Gonna go with Centro

6. Filip

Filip #6? He is not losing to Henrik over any distance, and can't see him losing to Centro or the other Americans over 2k. You do realize he'd just run a 2:16 1000m 40 minutes before, which made a huge impact in his run the other day? He's run 3:30 each of the last two years, I don't know which of the Americans you think are in that kind of shape.

bagel bandit wrote:

streak wrote:

1. Jakob

2. Mo Ahmed

3. Henrik or Lopez Lomong

4. Henrik or Lopez Lomong

5. Gonna go with Centro

6. Filip

Filip #6? He is not losing to Henrik over any distance, and can't see him losing to Centro or the other Americans over 2k. You do realize he'd just run a 2:16 1000m 40 minutes before, which made a huge impact in his run the other day? He's run 3:30 each of the last two years, I don't know which of the Americans you think are in that kind of shape.

Yeah if it was 2k it would certainly go

1. Jakob

2. Filip

Then everyone else. If it wasn’t paced then centro would have a chance.

It is incredible that 3 brothers really could beat every country in the world besides Kenya.

1) My post was in response to someone who mentioned both BTC/American runners. Ahmed isn’t American so he’s not part of my analysis.

2) Jakob is not my hero. If anything, he’s one of my least favorite runners. I think the Norwegian brothers are sketchy. Cute of you to let my criticism of BTC immediately turn on your “patriotism”.

3) This is a 1500/2k, not a 5k which makes Kincaid (never broken 3:37), Fischer (3:39 PR) and Hill (hasn’t broken 3:37 since 2016) irrelevant. Jager is also irrelevant until he puts out a performance (hasnt broken 3:37 since 2015).

4) Lopez Lomong is a national treasure and an incredible human whose body defies the laws of physics. He’s an inspiration to all. That said, he’s getting crushed over 1500/2k by the Norwegian brothers.

5) Doing further research, Josh Thompson is on BTC and one of my favorite emerging runners. Probably one of the most impacted by the delaying of the Olympics. He would have made the American 1500 team this year based on his indoor performances.

6) With all that said, I still believe only Centro and Thompson would be worthy opponents for the Norwegians brothers. If Jager pops in with 2015 form, they’d have a great shot, but that’s still an entire team of pros versus a single family...

7) It’s cute of you to lash out at me and my intelligence because you disagree with me, but you came in with lame facts and poor reasoning. Maybe you’re intelligent, but you clearly haven’t shown that. I’ll take my “kinda”, my logic, and my professional degrees over whatever you think you have over there.

jack.ydn wrote:

streak wrote:

The brothers would probably win, and that’s completely wild. Three running brothers from Norway would beat the best the United States could offer up.

Do you really think thats true though Ahmed beat jakob at world championships. Centro and lopez have better 5k times than jakob maybe a 3k would be a more fair. Who knows what fitness jager is at.

wth. Ahmed beat Jakob at the WCs? Yeah, by a hair and that's after Jakob ran a ton of grueling rounds. Please. Ahmed wouldn't stand a chance against Jakob in a stand alone 5k. How many guys have tried both the 1500 & 5000 in the same WCs? Not many do that.

Lol. Centro and Lopez have pretty much the identical time of Jakob...attained during an ideally paced TT.

Jakob has not had that opportunity. If he gets it it this year or 2021, with his sure improvement there's little doubt he would be much faster than those times. He could be sub 12:50 capable now.