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not as important as hill sprints
Impala31 wrote:
not as important as hill sprints
Why? you cannot open your stride the same going up a hill
Absolutely zero importance.
Sprinting at the end of a race is all about energy systems, which you're not in any way training with "strides".
Utterly pointless, unless just done for fun.
LeBronFAM wrote:
Impala31 wrote:
not as important as hill sprints
Why? you cannot open your stride the same going up a hill
Is "opening your stride" something you're incapable of doing and must "practice"? Maybe you should work on flexibility instead, if you're so impeded.
No, no, no. Strides are not about "being fast at the end of a race".
They are important in all phases, but are particularly important in base phase. Strides are about improving economy through neuromuscular efficiency. Rotate between hard hills (between 20-30s at mile effort), all out sprints (30-60m "all-out" with a rolling start), and strides (100m flat @ 3k--> 800m effort) frequently in base training.
Strava Police wrote:
No, no, no. Strides are not about "being fast at the end of a race".
They are important in all phases, but are particularly important in base phase. Strides are about improving economy through neuromuscular efficiency. Rotate between hard hills (between 20-30s at mile effort), all out sprints (30-60m "all-out" with a rolling start), and strides (100m flat @ 3k--> 800m effort) frequently in base training.
Total bollucks.
Your neuromuscular efficiency doesn't change from the beginning of a race to the end. What changes is how your body uses oxygen to produce energy, and the byproducts that come about through those process.
get real with it wrote:
Strava Police wrote:
No, no, no. Strides are not about "being fast at the end of a race".
They are important in all phases, but are particularly important in base phase. Strides are about improving economy through neuromuscular efficiency. Rotate between hard hills (between 20-30s at mile effort), all out sprints (30-60m "all-out" with a rolling start), and strides (100m flat @ 3k--> 800m effort) frequently in base training.
Total bollucks.
Your neuromuscular efficiency doesn't change from the beginning of a race to the end. What changes is how your body uses oxygen to produce energy, and the byproducts that come about through those process.
Ah, so that's why all the elites do it, cause it's total bollocks. You're trolling or just very pigheaded.
Ugh... Your neuromuscular efficiency does change a lot during a long race, as your motor neurons become tired you are having trouble firing them with the same effort. But this is totally irrelevant.
What Strava Police meant is you need to do those strides and sprints to arrive at the starting line of the race you mentioned with your best efficiency. Many sports physiologists and coaches agree with that.
Smoove Jamin wrote:
get real with it wrote:
Total bollucks.
Your neuromuscular efficiency doesn't change from the beginning of a race to the end. What changes is how your body uses oxygen to produce energy, and the byproducts that come about through those process.
Ah, so that's why all the elites do it, cause it's total bollocks. You're trolling or just very pigheaded.
Appeals to authority are fallacious.
Elites may also do easy runs at >8:00 per mile pace, or <5:45 per mile pace, or do any of a number of things that have nothing to do with you nor anything else.
Darby wrote:
Ugh... Your neuromuscular efficiency does change a lot during a long race, as your motor neurons become tired you are having trouble firing them with the same effort. But this is totally irrelevant.
What Strava Police meant is you need to do those strides and sprints to arrive at the starting line of the race you mentioned with your best efficiency. Many sports physiologists and coaches agree with that.
Say what?! Your best efficiency? Is this along the same b.s. belief that stretching reduces elasticity and said efficiency?
You're regurgitating nonsense.
Aerobic sport. Period.
To me, strides have two purposes.
1) is to maintain leg speed during an aerobic base period. That presumes you're taking a Lydiard approach to periodisation as opposed to modern coaches who like to fit in a bit of everything.
However legspeed is important to people who have the capability to run 4min miles or similar. If you're a beginner running around at 9min/miles then legspeed is still a dream to be realised.
2) if you do drills and glute activation work to improve your efficiency, then strides are a good way to ingrain what you've done.
get real with it wrote:
Say what?! Your best efficiency? Is this along the same b.s. belief that stretching reduces elasticity and said efficiency?
You're regurgitating nonsense.
Aerobic sport. Period.
Your response don't make sense.
Running is a skill. Like any skill, with practice you become better at it, your patterns of recruiting muscle fibers and ability to fire and relax muscles as needed is constantly improving as you practice it. Running at high speed is particularly demanding in this regard, so seems logical to me that it would give improvement.
It's like in lifting, you get biggest neuromuscular gains in strength doing 1-3 heavy reps, teaching your brain to generate stronger signal and recruit more motor units, those gains are fast!
It's like the brain, getting better at thinking/problem solving when you use it a lot for harder stuff.
But you probably wouldn't know about that!
get real with it wrote:
Smoove Jamin wrote:
Ah, so that's why all the elites do it, cause it's total bollocks. You're trolling or just very pigheaded.
Appeals to authority are fallacious.
Elites may also do easy runs at >8:00 per mile pace, or <5:45 per mile pace, or do any of a number of things that have nothing to do with you nor anything else.
You should post under your usual handle, so that people would immediately know who is the moran they are replying to.
Strava Police wrote:
No, no, no. Strides are not about "being fast at the end of a race".
They are important in all phases, but are particularly important in base phase. Strides are about improving economy through neuromuscular efficiency. Rotate between hard hills (between 20-30s at mile effort), all out sprints (30-60m "all-out" with a rolling start), and strides (100m flat @ 3k--> 800m effort) frequently in base training.
Those are 3 completely different workouts, at least in what corcerns how your body handle them.
Hill sprints and all out sprints works on top end speed, hills sprints being way gentle on the body, as there way less impact.
All out flat sprints can be pretty hard on the body, and although I agree you should progress from hill sprints to all out flat sprints, it should be from hill sprints at the end of an easy run to dedicated speed development sessions. No way I would recommend someone to do 3-4x 40-60m w/ 3-5min rest after an easy run or as part of the warm up for a workout.
Striders on the other hand can (and should?) Be done year round, at the end of easy runs and/or part of warm ups.
OP posted a question for which they knew the answer. No real debate. Hilarious if this goes to multiple pages.
Strides are absolutely pointless. The reward/risk is not worth it. For long distance racing implement more hill sprints, tempo blocks and specific race pace efforts. Keep the easy/recovery days slow and hard days fast.
Darby wrote:
Your response don't make sense.
Running is a skill. Like any skill, with practice you become better at it, your patterns of recruiting muscle fibers and ability to fire and relax muscles as needed is constantly improving as you practice it. Running at high speed is particularly demanding in this regard, so seems logical to me that it would give improvement.
It's like in lifting, you get biggest neuromuscular gains in strength doing 1-3 heavy reps, teaching your brain to generate stronger signal and recruit more motor units, those gains are fast!
It's like the brain, getting better at thinking/problem solving when you use it a lot for harder stuff.
But you probably wouldn't know about that!
No, your response doesn't make sense. Running is no more a skill than walking. It is an innate activity. If you can't run the same speed at the end of the race that you can when fresh, then that's a matter of aerobic conditioning, not neuromuscular conditioning.
It's absolutely shocking I even have to post that, but of course, this is letsrun.
It's not like in lifting in even the slightest sense unless you're doing dozens and dozens of lifts at a time (the exact opposite of the example you're providing).
MichaeI. wrote:
get real with it wrote:
Appeals to authority are fallacious.
Elites may also do easy runs at >8:00 per mile pace, or <5:45 per mile pace, or do any of a number of things that have nothing to do with you nor anything else.
You should post under your usual handle, so that people would immediately know who is the moran they are replying to.
Somehow you've taken it.