Believable or not? Read it as a supposed workout he did. Wouldn't that result equate to under 1:40 for 800 ?
Hicham El Guerrouj 10x300 in 3536 seconds with 3 4 minutes rest.
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Flying start? That makes a difference.
Think about it this way: it's a hair faster than the pace than someone like Donovan Brazier goes out for the first lap. So it would be equivalent to a 1:59 800m runner doing the same workout in 43ish. The math adds up. 
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
I think it's just been misinterpreted and some of them may have been that quick, but no way he could aver that pace for all 10. 1:44 guys would prob run 6x300 with 3min rest in 38.0 at best.
Also the original quote was  10 x 300m in 3536 seconds with surges and help from a "rabbit." 
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
Right. That's why I said "a hair faster." Donavan Brazier went out 48something for his AR and Rudisha went out 48high and 49low for his WRs. 
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work. 
We’ve all seen the training schedule you’re referring to. I have a hard time believing most of the workouts, even for a 3:26.0/12:50 guy.

I am almost 100 percent sure it was a flying start but it did not say in the workout plan. A 1:59 what? don't know what you're talking about there. A flying start adds generally 1 second less to the time.

So did the 10x300 in that pace happen or not? And why would he mislead in the journal.

It's insane

malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
LOL
JRinaldi not very experienced?
What a joke. 
sayer of LOL wrote:
malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
LOL
JRinaldi not very experienced?
What a joke.
Yeah but 3536 does mean 35.0 to 36.9 (37 even) everyone kinda knows that.
If you ran first rep in 37.2, 8 reps in 36.5, last one in 35.8 with your flying starts you would say the session was in '35/36'.
That's just runners. 
El G fan wrote:
sayer of LOL wrote:
malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
LOL
JRinaldi not very experienced?
What a joke.
Yeah but 3536 does mean 35.0 to 36.9 (37 even) everyone kinda knows that.
If you ran first rep in 37.2, 8 reps in 36.5, last one in 35.8 with your flying starts you would say the session was in '35/36'.
That's just runners.
You provided a perfect example to prove my point.
jrinaldi took "35  36" to mean "35.0  36.0", then extrapolated those numbers to 46.7  48.0. By the rules of math you cannot add an additional significant figure to a number just because you want to.
Multiplying 35 x 1.33333 = 46.66667 = 47 (least # significant numbers, 2).
Multiplying 36 x 1.33333 = 47.99988 = 48
But your point more accurately describes what the set of "35 36" actually means. You could have chosen any numbers, but you chose 8 reps in 36.5, the last one being 35.8. That's fine.
Now you have three significant figures.
Go ahead and multiply 36.5 x 1.33333 = 48.66545 = 48.7
Now multiply 35.8 x 1.33333 = 47.733214 = 47.7
You multiply a seven sig num value by a three sig number value, the product can only have three significant numbers. That's the rule of math and science. 
malmo wrote:
El G fan wrote:
sayer of LOL wrote:
malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
LOL
JRinaldi not very experienced?
What a joke.
Yeah but 3536 does mean 35.0 to 36.9 (37 even) everyone kinda knows that.
If you ran first rep in 37.2, 8 reps in 36.5, last one in 35.8 with your flying starts you would say the session was in '35/36'.
That's just runners.
You provided a perfect example to prove my point.
jrinaldi took "35  36" to mean "35.0  36.0", then extrapolated those numbers to 46.7  48.0. By the rules of math you cannot add an additional significant figure to a number just because you want to.
Multiplying 35 x 1.33333 = 46.66667 = 47 (least # significant numbers, 2).
Multiplying 36 x 1.33333 = 47.99988 = 48
But your point more accurately describes what the set of "35 36" actually means. You could have chosen any numbers, but you chose 8 reps in 36.5, the last one being 35.8. That's fine.
Now you have three significant figures.
Go ahead and multiply 36.5 x 1.33333 = 48.66545 = 48.7
Now multiply 35.8 x 1.33333 = 47.733214 = 47.7
You multiply a seven sig num value by a three sig number value, the product can only have three significant numbers. That's the rule of math and science.
And what’s your point? Nobody is confused on sigfig, I learned that in 7th grade. The discussion is about the workout, so if you could stop trying to seem smart spouting off basic math let’s get back on topic. 
malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
The guy has a stable of top tier 800m guys in AUS. Your arrogance knows no boundaries. 
malmo wrote:
El G fan wrote:
sayer of LOL wrote:
malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
LOL
JRinaldi not very experienced?
What a joke.
Yeah but 3536 does mean 35.0 to 36.9 (37 even) everyone kinda knows that.
If you ran first rep in 37.2, 8 reps in 36.5, last one in 35.8 with your flying starts you would say the session was in '35/36'.
That's just runners.
You provided a perfect example to prove my point.
jrinaldi took "35  36" to mean "35.0  36.0", then extrapolated those numbers to 46.7  48.0. By the rules of math you cannot add an additional significant figure to a number just because you want to.
Multiplying 35 x 1.33333 = 46.66667 = 47 (least # significant numbers, 2).
Multiplying 36 x 1.33333 = 47.99988 = 48
But your point more accurately describes what the set of "35 36" actually means. You could have chosen any numbers, but you chose 8 reps in 36.5, the last one being 35.8. That's fine.
Now you have three significant figures.
Go ahead and multiply 36.5 x 1.33333 = 48.66545 = 48.7
Now multiply 35.8 x 1.33333 = 47.733214 = 47.7
You multiply a seven sig num value by a three sig number value, the product can only have three significant numbers. That's the rule of math and science.
Yeah and those paces don't even tell the story as it is. The effort required is completely different.
Everyone knows a 300 in 40s is wayyyy easier to rep than 400s in 53. That 100m makes all the difference.
You can get through the first 200 of a 300 pretty much at flat out 200 pace then float in the last bit.
If El G ran through those reps to 400 it wouldn't be anything like 47/48. More like 49/50. And then good luck doing 10 of those. 
popopop wrote:
And what’s your point? Nobody is confused on sigfig, I learned that in 7th grade. The discussion is about the workout, so if you could stop trying to seem smart spouting off basic math let’s get back on topic.
Nobody is confused about sigfig? At LRC almost everyone is confused about significant figures. This is just another example.
Justin said "3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace." That is false. His calculations are only correct if the range is from 35.0 to 36.0 is known. That's not the case. Now if he can produce the individual reps measure to the tenth of a second, that is a horse of a different color. In our sport precision is the context.
As far as the workout goes, I think that Steve Ovett did a similar workout in the late 70s early 80s while he was in Eugene for a visit. That a 3:26 guy did it isn't a surprise. 
assistant to the regional manager wrote:
malmo wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:
3536 is 46.7 to 48.0 400 pace. It's a little quicker than first lap pace!
If you hear "35.0 to 36.0" when someone says 3536 then you are not very experienced in our sport, or of how people communicate , or of how significant decimals work.
The guy has a stable of top tier 800m guys in AUS. Your arrogance knows no boundaries.
We all know who Justin is. He's been around here since almost the beginning of LRC I believe. 
El G fan wrote:
Yeah and those paces don't even tell the story as it is. The effort required is completely different.
Everyone knows a 300 in 40s is wayyyy easier to rep than 400s in 53. That 100m makes all the difference..
That's not the point he was trying to make. He was extrapolating a 300m time and then saying what it was as 400m pace. He was in no way saying those 300s were the same as 400s. 
malmo wrote:
El G fan wrote:
Yeah and those paces don't even tell the story as it is. The effort required is completely different.
Everyone knows a 300 in 40s is wayyyy easier to rep than 400s in 53. That 100m makes all the difference..
That's not the point he was trying to make. He was extrapolating a 300m time and then saying what it was as 400m pace. He was in no way saying those 300s were the same as 400s.
Yeah but it's not that pace. 36.0 is not 48.0 pace for 400m unless you ran extremely evenly like a robot.
When you actually run in real life you get out hard and slow down. 36.0 through 300m would put you at 49 at 400. 
jamin wrote:
Donavan Brazier went out 48something for his AR
No, he didn't. His first lap was 49.21.