Sub 2 800m sub 17 5k mile prediction

You should be able to run a faster mile yeah. You must not be training for it right. Do you ever run 4:30 pace in practice?

This doesn’t seem that crazy to me. You just sound really aerobically under developed. 16:4x off of 1:56 speed is a poor time. I would have guessed you would be able to run a slightly faster mile than 4:40 or so but not by too much given these two data points. I am guessing you have pretty solid 400 speed (51 low)

I've also been suspicious of my mile time because my 800 pr is 2:01 and my 2 mile on a track is 10:17, and XC 5k is 17:14, but I've never ran a mile under 4:52, although I think the chief reason is because I've only ever time trialled a mile and never got in a race. I think the mile might be the most difficult event to run solo without having other racers/race setting and adrenaline to push you, but if you have had multiple tries in the mile in good races, I have no idea what your problem is. I know people who are slower than me on both ends of the equation, and certainly slower than you, who have ran low 4:40's so thats definitely not your peak ability.

If I was you I would do a 1200 meter time trial at 4:30 mile pace. It's probably more psychological and/or lack of racing the mile that's the problem for you. Doing a 1200 time trial would help you in pacing and in the psychological department.

guy on my team ran 1:59, 4:52, 16:47 in HS

Probably just because you peak big in cross, and don't race the mile when it matters in track

a dude in a place at a college wrote:

guy on my team ran 1:59, 4:52, 16:47 in HS

Probably just because you peak big in cross, and don't race the mile when it matters in track

those are weird times. 800 a lot more impressive than the 1600, and the 1600 seems slow for the 5k time

OP: I was almost exactly like you in HS. Sub 2 in the spring and sub 17 in the fall. I went from a 4:34 1600 to a 4:02 1500 in a year by adding two things: a weekly long run of like 14 miles and doing longer tempo runs. I did them year round. I also stopped running the 800 because there were 10 other guys faster than me, so I move to the 1500. I think my mile suffered in the spring because I basically stopped the aerobic stuff. I did a bunch of 200s and 300s, but nothing long. I had the speed but not the aerobic.

The Predictor wrote:

a dude in a place at a college wrote:

guy on my team ran 1:59, 4:52, 16:47 in HS

Probably just because you peak big in cross, and don't race the mile when it matters in track

those are weird times. 800 a lot more impressive than the 1600, and the 1600 seems slow for the 5k time

Weird range indeed, but it can still be explained physiologically, assuming he is mentally strong and raced all 3 distances all-out (many 800m runners can't endure the constant suffering of a 5k, and many 5k runners can't tolerate high lactate levels of a 800m).

- good basic speed

- high lactate tolerance

- low VO2MAX

- strong endurance/threshold/stamina

That would explain the mile being worse than the 800m and 5k. It could also be that he neglected mile-pace too much in training and is not efficient at that pace.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Weird range indeed, but it can still be explained physiologically, assuming

Phil, all you do is assume. Stop trying to explain everything. You are not Canova, or anyone even moderately knowledgeable about sports science and physiology. You sound like an arrogant tw@t, because you don't know anything about this kid's training and yet somehow are able to magically diagnose the issue at hand.

All you do is worship tinman and you think you know everything because you read a book or two.