Brown University Reinstates Men's Cross Country And Track And Field Teams

Reflection_ wrote:

Brown's sprint and field coaches aren't good enough to not make a mockery of themselves without running points and they weren't saving enough to hire better coaches.

Please elaborate on your rationale for why these coaches aren’t good enough and for the love of life don’t say bc you’re the “better” coach they need.

Before someone jumps on me and says Brown distance scores no points or low points, ask yourself is that likely to always be the case - they aren't the university of miami in florida.

Depends...how long has it been that way?

I'm not saying they aren't good coaches. I'm saying the ivy league is competitive enough to not be won on sprints and field alone. Brown isn't going to score enough points to make up for 0 in the 800, 1500, steeple, 5000, and 10000 which is what happens to teams that cut xc generally. Last year, looking at results Brown was a team that picked up points here, points there and didn't have a couple dominant sprinters, throwers, or jumpers that scored big in multiple events. Most teams are like this. Could their coaches get a guy to this level or they get a top recruit? Maybe, but for all the times it doesn't happen, brown would be last in the ivy with distance runners who couldn't score any points as any serious distance runner would put a score without xc below those with when choosing a college.

...they weren't saving enough to hire better coaches.

I'm not saying they aren't good coaches.

This two statements contradict each other!

... I'm saying the ivy league is competitive enough to not be won on sprints and field alone. Brown isn't going to score enough points to make up for 0 in the 800, 1500, steeple, 5000, and 10000 which is what happens to teams that cut xc generally. Last year, looking at results Brown was a team that picked up points here, points there and didn't have a couple dominant sprinters, throwers, or jumpers that scored big in multiple events. Most teams are like this.

Agreed and it doesn’t help when only the top 6 places are scored!

krispy kremlin._._._._ wrote:

I was thinking the same thing.

The take away: societal forces can harm white males and you can expect few will be upset enough to affect change.

We are in dark days.

Instead of "harm" I would say "remove from positions of unearned preferential treatment."

Part of moving towards fairness/justice/equity for all is that those in unjustly advantaged positions will seem to be regressing, when in fact they are being treated (more) fairly for the first time. In our (North American) society, this phenomenon will be experienced primarily by wealthy white males, As one of them, I agree that at times it's annoying/hurtful to have all sorts of sweeping generalizations made about a category I belong to, but at the same time that's really not that big a deal and I am all for the world being more equitable and meritocratic.

Brown already has the smallest men’s t&f roster in the Ivies by far. I actually read that line as all (men’s) varsity sports will face roster restrictions due to title 9. I think the plan might be to add roster spots to existing women’s teams to meet the requirement.

inventor of the hambuger wrote:

Brown already has the smallest men’s t&f roster in the Ivies by far. I actually read that line as all (men’s) varsity sports will face roster restrictions due to title 9. I think the plan might be to add roster spots to existing women’s teams to meet the requirement.

yep, gotta make up for the 6th string qb

What? No call to rename Brown U.?

Moses Brown and his family were slave traders and owners. Sure, After he made his wealth Moses came out against the practice, but his brother John and family members were the first prosecuted for continuing the practice.

SHAME! SHAME!

Is Krispy Kremlins real name Dave?

Not trolling you , genuinely asking. Why should this website take any public positions at all? It's a running website. The situation with the Brown XC/TF is clearly in their lane. Other social issues not as much.