Nico Young Is Going For Galen Rupp's 13:37 American Junior Record Right Now - Official Discussion Thread.

birdbeard wrote:

VroomVroom wrote:

And didn't come close.

Eh, 4th all time is pretty close. When you take into account the weather it’s very close.

Not sure why people want to tear the kid down. He is extremely polite and a fantastic runner.

People on here seem to take it personally when there’s a record attempt

Lenny Leonard wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Plus, Nico's 3200 / 5000 and XC times are on par with plenty of guys that placed in the T10 as true freshman--Cheserek (1st), Goucher (2nd), Ritz (4th), etc.

I think he could place very highly in the fall if they actually run XC.

His times are right there with them, but Goucher and Ritz were a different era. Way less depth.

Not really fair to compare any incoming freshman with Ches.

Yeah, Goucher and Ritz had a real walk in the park their freshman years...

As a freshman in 1994, Goucher got 2nd to Martin Keino and beat Kevin Sullivan, Alan Culpepper, and Meb K among others.

In 2001, Ritz got 4th behind a Kenyan, Jorge Torres and Allistair Craig, and beat out Luke Watson, Ryan Shay, Donald Sage, Matt Tegenkamp, Alan Webb, and Daniel Lincoln.

At the top end, there were plenty of strong XC runners in the bad old days of the late 90s and early 00s. Goucher and Ritz were both exceptional XC performers who would have placed highly in any era.

As for NY, let the kid run and see how he does.

run faster and faster wrote:

It is not comparing him to them. It is comparing his relative time to a dataset. It is irrelevant if the people are women or children or masters. It merely compares his relative time in the 3000 against the dataset to see where he would fall in the 5000 for that dataset in order get a reasonable prediction. His relative place in the 3000 is 25th and the 25th time in the 5000 for that group is 13:48. Is is therefore reasonable to assume that Young can run 13:48.

Get help, dude.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

rojo wrote:

This has got to be the worst thing for track fans since Alan Webb's 3:46. If a tree falls in a forest.....

Why in the hell wouldn't you announce something ahead of time? 63 minutes ahead of time... Give me a break.

I spent about 45 seconds last night trying to watch this.

This was so much fail I'm about speechless. I get the "Portland Pacer" angle, but the fact that nobody said word one about it, and the stream blew chunks, and it's 2020, and, and, and …

Fail.

But you did get to see Nico's 5K PR. Of all time.

Rojo is such a reactionary doofus. I seriously think he suffered a severe head injury as a children.

He seems like a nice humble kid much like Rupp. But his coach has made false claims about himself which has diverted attention from Young to him. I think some people want the coach's predictions to fail, not the kid to fail. There will be more fans next year when he is at NAU. Only positive things have ever been said about the coach.

Didn´t Nico turn 18 in April?

objectiveobserver wrote:

Didn´t Nico turn 18 in April?

July 27th, according to World Athletics.

even if he were 18, still younger than a lot of HSers

Dunder The Covers wrote:

Also Sanchez. 6th as a FR in 2000. His 8:49i in 1999 was/is mindblowing.

And Sanchez set an AJR of 13:38 his freshman spring at Georgetown. I think he might've taken a 5th year at Cushing Academy, he ran some crazy fast time that no one's approached on my league's XC championship course and it said that was his school, but he went to Lynn Tech.

run faster and faster wrote:

He seems like a nice humble kid much like Rupp. But his coach has made false claims about himself which has diverted attention from Young to him. I think some people want the coach's predictions to fail, not the kid to fail. There will be more fans next year when he is at NAU. Only positive things have ever been said about the coach.

Mike Smith is going to absolutely wreck with Nico.

nicooooo younggggg wrote:

Dunder The Covers wrote:

Also Sanchez. 6th as a FR in 2000. His 8:49i in 1999 was/is mindblowing.

I think he might've taken a 5th year at Cushing Academy, he ran some crazy fast time that no one's approached on my league's XC championship course and it said that was his school, but he went to Lynn Tech.

So he might've been an old freshman, but either way those times are stellar.

birdbeard wrote:

Mike Smith is going to absolutely wreck with Nico.

Why do you think so? They run high mileage but I'm sure Nico won't do more than 70 in season, I think he does 50-60 right now in-season.

ohhh you said wreck with, not wreck. yeah i agree

nicooooo younggggg wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Mike Smith is going to absolutely wreck with Nico.

Why do you think so? They run high mileage but I'm sure Nico won't do more than 70 in season, I think he does 50-60 right now in-season.

i’m pretty sure he means with nico their team is gonna he really good and wreck people with him in there. i think that’s what he meant

That is what I meant. I love Wetmore but Mike Smith is the best coach in the country right now. There is a new wave of coaches that are doing full-recovery speedwork year round and pairing it with high mileage and sub-threshold work very effectively, and he is the best at it. Rob Conner also comes to mind.

I think Nico will win some titles in college.

2000s called wrote:

13:50.

a damn good perfomance. Little help and 79 degs in Portland at the moment.

A cooler temperature would get rid of that 13 extra seconds.

Congrats to Nico, 4th All-Time in USA is no joke, especially considering the conditions (pandemic + no season). The weather is what it is. Anyone who runs faster than Prefontaine is golden in my book, although he probably would have been best served going for the 2-mile record instead of the 5000m based on his strength, or lack of.

run faster and faster wrote:

It is not comparing him to them. It is comparing his relative time to a dataset. It is irrelevant if the people are women or children or masters. It merely compares his relative time in the 3000 against the dataset to see where he would fall in the 5000 for that dataset in order get a reasonable prediction. His relative place in the 3000 is 25th and the 25th time in the 5000 for that group is 13:48. Is is therefore reasonable to assume that Young can run 13:48.

OK, but kind of a roundabout way to make an estimate. Based on the online performance calculators, his 3000 equates to about 13:40.

This is extremely quick for those weather conditions and pacers for only 1 1/2 miles.

Ritz and Rupp needed two chances, in good conditions, to get to their times. It's a shame his team didn't wait until the next night, or at least go in the coolest time in the day. If not, he's proven he's among the best high schoolers of all time. Still, he should absolutely make another record attempt at this distance, or make a sub-4 attempt before packing it up for fall xc, which may or may not happen.