Nico Young Is Going For Galen Rupp's 13:37 American Junior Record Right Now - Official Discussion Thread.

rojo wrote:

I'd love to hear the logic of anyone involved in this. Hey, "Let's go for a historic track and field record but not tell anyone about it until right before it starts when most of them are asleep."

Can someone please tell me why anyone would set this up this way?

Perhaps they wanted to leave Letsrun out of it.

25 guys in the NCAA were faster than him in the 3000. So if he could run 13:37, then 25 guys in the NCAA could run 13:37. Funny that only a handful ever do though.

And didn't come close.

predictors wrote:

Alert! Alert! He only an the 25th best time in the NCAA indoor in the 3000 against professionals where he did not lead. The 25th best time indoor in the 5000 in the NCAA was 13:48. I made this prediction using these facts over and over a few months ago but it was received with the typical Letsrun opinions not based on facts. Many of you were insulting to the NCAA guys by predicting that he would run faster.

But he would’ve run faster than that any other year than 2020. NCAA guys run 13:48 and faster at races like Stanford, Payton Jordan, etc. with pacers, crowds, competition, and that perfect Palo Alto weather. Young ran in 79 degrees, came through 3200m in 8:43, (which would’ve been a great 3200m time in itself) and was alone on the track after halfway. Saying his ceiling right now is 13:48 is selling him short.

VroomVroom wrote:

And didn't come close.

Eh, 4th all time is pretty close. When you take into account the weather it’s very close.

Not sure why people want to tear the kid down. He is extremely polite and a fantastic runner.

birdbeard wrote:

VroomVroom wrote:

And didn't come close.

Eh, 4th all time is pretty close. When you take into account the weather it’s very close.

Not sure why people want to tear the kid down. He is extremely polite and a fantastic runner.

With a 69 sec last lap. Poor kid was just toast. Put him in Palo Alto with 20 guys at 13:30-14:00, and I think you’ve got at least 10 sec in there.

We are only as good as our PRs. I predicted 13:50 and he ran 13:50. Others predicted 13:30 but they don't care that he ran 13:50 because they can never wrong. So Young is as fast as Klecker or faster than Mau?

Extremely impressive despite

Warm weather

No competition

COVID effect

If this was any other season and he was in a euro race like Rupp I think 13:30 would have been in the cards. Still though 13:50 for a high schooler is just insane.

Yeah. I feel bad for Nico and Rupp really. I think under Mike Smith Galen is opening up more to the public with interviews and whatnot, he certainly seems more open than he did under Alberto. I hope he doesn’t feel like he truly let Nico down without pacing. I mean if he felt some pain, especially if it was his surgery area, it’s perfectly logical and very smart to just shut it down.

It’s hard to say if Nico would have broken the record with better pacing, weather, etc. 13 seconds is a long way to chop off a 5k, but I think it’s safe to say he would have ran at least a couple seconds faster. It would have been interesting if he could compete in the 5k that Henrik and Sondre are doing next week.

Great effort and hopefully and may we see many more!

They will be out in 4:12. He was out in 4:20. That would destroy him.

I dunno about that. Sondre definitely isn’t a 5k guy. PR of 13:20

I do think if he was in a race like Rupp’s with cooler temps he is good for 13:40. Obviously he hadn’t run it until he’s run it though.

His time through 3200 would be a top 20-ish mark all time on its own, and then he continued for another 1800m at 4:30ish pace. Not bad.

predictors wrote:

25 guys in the NCAA were faster than him in the 3000. So if he could run 13:37, then 25 guys in the NCAA could run 13:37. Funny that only a handful ever do though.

Why are you comparing Young to college runners? He isn't even 18 yet and many of the NCAA runners with faster times are 3-4 years older.

Any post of his college choice?

Nau

rojo wrote:

This has got to be the worst thing for track fans since Alan Webb's 3:46. If a tree falls in a forest.....

Why in the hell wouldn't you announce something ahead of time? 63 minutes ahead of time... Give me a break.

I spent about 45 seconds last night trying to watch this.

This was so much fail I'm about speechless. I get the "Portland Pacer" angle, but the fact that nobody said word one about it, and the stream blew chunks, and it's 2020, and, and, and …

Fail.

But you did get to see Nico's 5K PR. Of all time.

It is not comparing him to them. It is comparing his relative time to a dataset. It is irrelevant if the people are women or children or masters. It merely compares his relative time in the 3000 against the dataset to see where he would fall in the 5000 for that dataset in order get a reasonable prediction. His relative place in the 3000 is 25th and the 25th time in the 5000 for that group is 13:48. Is is therefore reasonable to assume that Young can run 13:48.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

predictors wrote:

25 guys in the NCAA were faster than him in the 3000. So if he could run 13:37, then 25 guys in the NCAA could run 13:37. Funny that only a handful ever do though.

Why are you comparing Young to college runners? He isn't even 18 yet and many of the NCAA runners with faster times are 3-4 years older.

Plus, Nico's 3200 / 5000 and XC times are on par with plenty of guys that placed in the T10 as true freshman--Cheserek (1st), Goucher (2nd), Ritz (4th), etc.

I think he could place very highly in the fall if they actually run XC.

birdbeard wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Why are you comparing Young to college runners? He isn't even 18 yet and many of the NCAA runners with faster times are 3-4 years older.

Plus, Nico's 3200 / 5000 and XC times are on par with plenty of guys that placed in the T10 as true freshman--Cheserek (1st), Goucher (2nd), Ritz (4th), etc.

I think he could place very highly in the fall if they actually run XC.

His times are right there with them, but Goucher and Ritz were a different era. Way less depth.

Not really fair to compare any incoming freshman with Ches.