Drew Brees ??‍♂️

Why ludicrous? The example you give sounds like you should agree with me. The kneeling is a respectful act. They don't like the message.

old&fat wrote:

I personally would be upset at a white person kneeling “out of respect for the fallen vets”.

I have a lot of family that served and I have a lot of friends that served.

Why? Kneeling has for the entire history of humanity been a sign of respect. I'm putting the hypothetical situation of a white person kneeling "out of respect for the fallen vets" before Kapernik did it. People would see it for what kneeling has been seen for the entire history of humanity - a sign of deep respect. Much deeper than just standing in any context. You're view has been redefined by having a negative view of Kapernick.

FD3S wrote:

A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:

Ludicrous.

If I sat on a bench in protest during the anthem and said it was because "I hate eating peas."

People would say: ... Wait... What? Why are you doing this here. We're not asking you to eat peas? The flag has nothing to do with peas. If you want to protest peas, write a letter to Jolly Green Giant. Or do something else loosely related to peas. This isn't the time to be protesting peas. We are singing the anthem in respect for those who keep us safe and died for our freedoms. Not peas.

Me (still sitting on the bench): nah bro. f$#@ peas.

Why ludicrous? The example you give sounds like you should agree with me. The kneeling is a respectful act. They don't like the message.

I'm saying those people aren't going to like ANY message at an inappropriate time. Kap was doing it to be controversial and rile people up. Period. I can agree with the message and disagree that he should be doing it during the anthem.

I would be upset because in the military they have protocols for pretty much everything. Protocol for the National Anthem Is standing at attention.

In previous post I applauded BM for his investment and his involvement for making a positive change.

I can sympathize with the BLM movement though I can’t empathize. There have been many simple pleasures that I’ve taken for granted. For instance I haven’t gotten looks of suspicion while running in a neighborhood. I can understand the anger and resentment that many hold.

I just wish more of these athletes spent more time working for a change instead of griping about it. Ala BMarsh.

old&fat wrote:

I would be upset because in the military they have protocols for pretty much everything. Protocol for the National Anthem Is standing at attention.

Most of us aren't in the military, and we are talking about the anthem played at games that don't have anything to do with the military. Kneeling has always been a sign of deeper respect than standing in a rating of human acts.

The story about Colin got the idea to kneel has been told a million times but these inbreds still pretend like they never heard it before. Bunker Boy says they are kneeling because they hate the troops and the flag......now Redneck AmeriKKKa regurgitates this nonsense. Sad

And meanwhile, your snarky azz won't say a thing about black on black murder.

23 dead just this past weekend in Chicago, alone... at a time of protest for a black man's murder by a cop. It's insanity to not do anything about it, and you're saying that its okay.

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Brees has two options:

1. Apologize right away for making a boneheaded comment and promise to do better/take classes to better understand the plight of African-Americans or...

2. Contact the Saints front office about getting him an all white offensive line full of conservative good ol' boys because EVERY opposing African-American linebacker, defensive lineman, and strong safety is going to be seeking blood every time they blitz.

#1 without a doubt! Look at what his stupid comment has done!

Brees should know better than to say anything like that given the current climate of the African-American community. If he doesn't apologize and take the classes then the front office needs to move on without him. You know...Jameis Winston is the backup QB just signed this year from TB. ?

Anyone else see parallels between 2020 America where not standing for a song and a piece of cloth is considered outrageous and the Spanish Inquisition where if you didn’t kiss a piece of wood shaped like a cross you were tortured and executed???

compren wrote:

I don’t think Brees is racist. I think he is terrible at articulating anything besides football in interviews.

Brees is coming across as the spoiled "everything is about me" professional athlete.

He talked about his grandfather and what the anthem & flag mean to HIM. He implied everyone else should understand and do the same because his view is the only view.

If I felt that strongly and someone else did not I would want to know their story. They obviously feel much different and there must be a reason for that.

Kaepernick made it very clear from day one that it was about seeking attention for police brutality toward men of color and nothing else. His respect for the flag & anthem is the reason for a quiet and calm kneeling position. However, an idiot narcissist who sees most everything as a chance for a PR rally changed the narrative and people who don't read or watch Fox News exclusively (ie Brees apparently) bought in and completely changed the focus of the situation.

You are completely ignorant. Standing at attention is the custom to unite and honor the flag. Doing something different automatically dishonors the flag and shows that you are not united with the people who are standing. Those are the customs of our country. You only kneel when proposing or when worshiping God. You do not kneel to people or things. Other countreis have a custom of kneeling before royalty because royalty has historically been viewed as God on earth. Anyone who kneels before the US flag does not have religious convictions. Standing has always been the show of respect in out country. When a woman enters the room, you stand. When an official passes by, you stand. When the flag passes by, you stand. When the national anthem plays and you kneel, you are telling all of the other Americans that you are not united with them and you are spitting on our country.

canaaaada wrote:

When the flag passes by, you stand. When the national anthem plays and you kneel, you are telling all of the other Americans that you are not united with them and you are spitting on our country.

Not when whole groups of people in the United States aren't treated as full citizens and are subjected to routine discrimination. Tommie Smith and John Carlos are lauded today for the stand they took in 1968. If you want to stand for the anthem while law enforcement mistreats you relative to the rest of the population, that is your right. It's also the right of others to protest their country's flag and anthem when their country is failing to live up to the ideals of equality and justice that are written in its Constitution.

Kap wore socks depicting cops as pigs. 99% of cops are putting their lives on the line to protect everyone. He lost respect from the majority of the population after that. He come across as a spoiled rich brat unlike Brees.

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Brees has two options:

1. Apologize right away for making a boneheaded comment and promise to do better/take classes to better understand the plight of African-Americans or...

2. Contact the Saints front office about getting him an all white offensive line full of conservative good ol' boys because EVERY opposing African-American linebacker, defensive lineman, and strong safety is going to be seeking blood every time they blitz.

Or 3. Stand by what he said lmao. Every opposing player has been trying to hit him as hard as they can the last 20 years. Get real. Any player that would try to take a cheap shot would get hammered in the only place players really care about and that's THE WALLET.

Haha I can't wait until Michael Thomas, who has been coming off like a b!tch for the most month, with the Davonte Parker situation, plays with a qb not named Bree's lol. His catches get about cut in half.

old&fat wrote:

I can sympathize with the BLM movement though I can’t empathize.

I just wish more of these athletes spent more time working for a change instead of griping about it.

“I don’t understand what they’re going through, but I do feel for them. I just wish they would do it on their own time so I don’t have to hear about it”

He’s donated 1+ million dollars, started a legal defense fund, and numerous other youth programs. His foundation has raised millions more for his foundation.

Since you “sympathize”, can you tell me what you’ve done to help your community? Not even BLM - just your community as a whole.

canaaaada wrote:

Kap wore socks depicting cops as pigs. 99% of cops are putting their lives on the line to protect everyone. He lost respect from the majority of the population after that. He come across as a spoiled rich brat unlike Brees.

Again, if someone believes things different than me, I want to hear from them to understand their perspective, not just hate becasue their experience is not identical to mine.

Kaepernick wore socks one time in an off season workout that dipicted police as cartoon pigs. When asked about it he issued this statement:

"I wore these socks, in the past, because the rogue cops that are allowed to hold positions in police departments, not only put the community in danger, but also put the cops that have the right intentions in danger by creating an environment of tension and mistrust. I have two uncles and friends who are police officers and work to protect and serve ALL people. So before these socks, which were worn before I took my public stance, are used to distract from the real issues, I wanted to address this immediately."

His experience and perspective is different than mine so I want to know more about why he thinks this. I do not hate him and twist it into something completely different as does a large unthinking segment of people seem to do.

I'm amazed at the importance people place on what to me seems like meaning symbolic nonsense.

Things like flags and kneeling and anthems...why waste your time on this crap when there are real problems that desperately need to be addressed.

Not a good teammate. Not a good leader.

Drew Brees did not have to apologize, he is entitled to respect his family and country in a way he feels is appropriate. He is not a racist.

My stepson is in Afghanistan as we speak and I do not approve of kneeling for the anthem either, Stand up Drew, to hell with Kap.