As an Asian, I experienced more racism in Europe than America

get realz wrote:

GoodIntentions;-) wrote:

She’s not unfortunate compared to people in frickin Ecuador a-hole, she’s unfortunate compared to white people like you. How dense are you?

Ahh, so she's fortunate not to have been verbally and physically assaulted numerous times by blacks when I was going to school...for being white? Got it.

That didn’t happen.

RyecorDone wrote:

In the US, I suspect Asians receive less negative racism than Blacks. The racism is still there, it's just "benevolent racism". We assume Asians are industrious and gifted for sciences. Don't know why or how that began.

There were laws like the Chinese Exclusion Act 1882 that kept Asians out. When they started being let in again in reasonable number, they had a preference system for people with "good moral character" and economic potential, skills, and education (Immigration and Nationality Act 1952). So basically, they let in only the smart people come here. My parents came to the US from China (individually) around 60 years ago and met in grad school in the US.

Correction, actually, my mom and dad didn't come directly from China. They came from Taiwan, having been made refugees by Japan in WWII, then ended up growing up in Taiwan during the Chinese Civil War when the communists took over the mainland.

I dont really see much racism in America. Racist jokes do not make someone racist. Its a joke.

I have traveled all over the world and can tell you that the US is WAAAAAAAY less racist than most of the world and is, in fact, one of the LEAST racist countries on the planet. I'm not saying there isn't still racism, but it is 10X worse in NUMEROUS other countries.

zhueuesu wrote:

As an Asian, I experienced more racism in Europe than America

So?

The never spoken racism in America is "not black enough." You have to be light skinned negro to know what this means.

I noticed very little racism in Africa and Indian. None in Antarctica.

Lots of racism in Japan toward all gaijin.

Very little overt racism in China, except that folks wanted to take pictures of their toddler sons with my blonde girlfriend. They would always have the boys drop diapers for the pic.

All over Europe there is racism toward gypsies.

Personally, I am happy that protests have completely removed the threat of Covid 19.

The world has gone insane wrote:

I have traveled all over the world and can tell you that the US is WAAAAAAAY less racist than most of the world and is, in fact, one of the LEAST racist countries on the planet. I'm not saying there isn't still racism, but it is 10X worse in NUMEROUS other countries.

I agree with "So Manly". So?

Also, just because I'm an Asian American doesn't mean that I'm only concerned about racism when it affects me. I'm principled, idealistic, and want things to be better for everyone.

RyecorDone wrote:

In the US, I suspect Asians receive less negative racism than Blacks. The racism is still there, it's just "benevolent racism". We assume Asians are industrious and gifted for sciences. Don't know why or how that began. In any case, there IS racism. I suspect that whites just don't feel that there will be any negative consequences to being "live and let live" with Chinese or Japanese or Korean people.

So is this why total strangers yell at me to "go back to China"? (I am not from China, so I cannot go "back" there.)

Is this why second and third generation Japanese Americans are constantly asked "where are you REALLY from?" whenever they say they are from one of the states in the US?

Is this why so many people assume that Asians lack interpersonal skills, leadership, or communication skills even if they were born and brought up here? (We are supposed to be "gifted for sciences" right?)

Yeah, it's very benevolent. After all, I have never been beaten by cops (although one of them threatened to, inside a police station.) I only get bogus tickets when I am pulled over for no reason and I could fight them off in a court. (You know, Asians are meek and are not supposed to fight for their rights. So I guess they think I will quietly pay the fines.) But when I am pulled over late at night, and two cops accused me of DUI for no evidence, that does not feel very benevolent to me.

zhueuesu wrote:

Which group was the one that enslaved the Blacks again?

Humans?

I lived in the Netherlands, Germany and the US for multiple years.

From my experience in Germany are some extreme racist but most people are nice. Some hate on blacks but not so much on asians. In the US I experienced NO hate on blacks but A LOT on asians and mexican

It’s not as simple as “racist” or “not racist”. It’s not a switch.

My anecdotal observations are that, yes, America seems to be much more educated on what is/isn’t racist and in general conversations people are less overtly racist.

However, as much as racist jokes or sly remarks are easier to get away with in Germany or Switzerland, the police there aren’t killing black people. The prisons are as overrepresented with black people. The life expectancy of racial minorities isnt as skewed.

Long story short: everyone’s racist, often in different ways. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t all strive to be better.

Why is it only WHITE countries have to be NON-RACIST and DIVERSIFIED into oblivion anyways??? No one demands Zambia be diverse. Or China. Or Saudia Arabia. etc. etc. etc. Only once white countries....

The OP is right in his point; Europeans tend to be more overtly racist than Americans.

BUT American racism is more *dangerous* due to:

- the unaccountablility of US police,

- potential danger of civilians due to our legal framework (see: firearms and stand-you-ground laws),

- the standards for incarcerating people and the severity of sentencing,

- the inhumane state of US prisons, and

- the relative strain of poverty (i.e. it's less severe with a large safety net).

For these reasons, I'd rather be black in France, for example, than anywhere in the US.

Also, the goal is to improve the US, not merely to be relatively less racist than other countries.

With regard to the description of your experience of racsim in Europe vs USA, you are mixing up political incorrect behaviour with racism.

the least racist person you know wrote:

The prisons are as overrepresented with black people. The life expectancy of racial minorities isnt as skewed.

Long story short: everyone’s racist, often in different ways.

Of course, these things you cite aren't a result of racism. There's a difference between racism and something being correlated with race. In other words there may be racial disparities, and it's fair to try and understand why they occur and attempt to address some of the root causes, but it's not necessarily, or even likely, a result of "racism".

Try being black or brown or Muslim or Arab in America. And throw in poor to boot.

Then report back on how American racism ain't so bad.

Right.

Just a bunch of odd coincidences

Of course you have. The media is the problem in this country. It's a joke.