Colin Kaepernick Wins! Cops go home devastated- ON THEIR KNEES!

Questionable2 wrote:

poiuyt wrote:

I believe all human lives matter. If people proclaiming that black lives matter mean it, then why do they support direct abortion, which disproportionately kills blacks?

Kaepernick is some hero:

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0FNNpYbX/kaepernick-donated-25000-to-pro-abortion-group?s=oldSite

If you don't want an abortion then don't have one. If you want one, then have one. .

I suppose then that if you lived in the days of chattel slavery, your argument would be: If you don’t like slavery, don’t own a slave. If you want a slave, then own one.

Questionable2 wrote:

poiuyt wrote:

I believe all human lives matter. If people proclaiming that black lives matter mean it, then why do they support direct abortion, which disproportionately kills blacks?

Kaepernick is some hero:

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0FNNpYbX/kaepernick-donated-25000-to-pro-abortion-group?s=oldSite

If you don't want an abortion then don't have one. If you want one, then have one. It's that women's body and here choice. .

There are all sorts of legal restrictions on what we can or cannot do with our bodies: we cannot take heroin, we cannot take cocaine, we cannot drive a car at 160 mph on a residential street. Why? Because these things are dangerous to ourselves and others. With direct abortion, the danger is almost always fatal and is deliberate.

Further, any body inside a pregnant woman’s body is not the pregnant woman’s body.

jfwjhg wrote:

There are all sorts of legal restrictions on what we can or cannot do with our bodies: we cannot take heroin, we cannot take cocaine, we cannot drive a car at 160 mph on a residential street. Why? Because these things are dangerous to ourselves and others. With direct abortion, the danger is almost always fatal and is deliberate.

Further, any body inside a pregnant woman’s body is not the pregnant woman’s body.

I'm sure you've heard every argument there is but abortion isn't something you do to yourself, it's conducted by a doctor.

If the inside of your body isn't private then where is? You're not duty-bound to give me a kidney if I need one, even if I'm going to die without a transplant.

No woman wants an abortion maybe look at reasons why black women are needing abortions before telling them they can't have one.

sore patella wrote:

Why are people taking a knee? Isn't that how the cop killed Floyd?

Maybe they should find another form of protest in this case?

oh I GET it !

You don't like protests.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHH!!

Some manually transcribed excerpts from a fascinating 2019 interview with Shelby Steele.

re: Shelby Steele

<i>He’s the son of a biracial couple who worked for equality well before “mixed” marriages were publicly accepted, protested in the 1960s and considered himself a “radical” before reconsidering race relations in America. ...</i>

https://area45.podbean.com/e/shelby-steele-on-race-and-victimization-in-america/

"…the real unacknowledged power in race relations in America is not black anger, it’s white guilt.

We have as blacks defined ourselves in order to exploit that guilt. We’ve created a black identity grounded in victimization that simply would not exist were it not for white guilt… whites…desperately need to be vetted by black anger; the angrier the black the better. We have allowed, as blacks, that to corrupt us and we’ve produced a whole generation of leaders - Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson… - who just really had a heyday on white-guilt; hundreds of millions of dollars shaking down American industry..."

"Whites [today] have simply lived in terror…of being seen as racist… Every white knows if you come to somehow be seen as a racist…you’re finished."

"...Anytime someone uses the term “racism” they’re looking for power, they’re exercising power, and there is enormous power in that word…"

"...In fact, in American life, white guilt is a far more…where whites…live in anxiety about whether they’re going to be seen as racist or not. …I’m sick and tired of people like the New York Times using black people, once again, for their means to power; not blacks, but their means to power. The New York Times, liberalism generally in America,…so what is valuable to white liberals is an angry black man; they love nothing more; and God knows if he’s really victimized, then you lift him to sainthood. "

"I’m doing a film documentary at the moment…in Ferguson, Missouri, the shooting of Michael Brown…so last week I was there and…it’s the fifth anniversary of the shooting and the father is there of Michael Brown and it was choreographed. The New York Times was there at the news conference, all the major newspapers were there, Time magazine was there, not a single black person from Ferguson was there. Not one. Why was the media there like that? Power. They see the killing of a black man as their source of power. The Democratic party in America is based entirely on the idea that they fight the menace of racism and Republicans don’t, and so they find a moment like that electrifying. Week before that, we were on the south side of Chicago. In 2016, 762 black kids were shot and killed. 3000 were wounded. No media. No interest on the part of the president [Obama], the attorney general, all those people [the press] were in Ferguson where one kid got shot by a white policeman…they were in “happy city”. They had black victimization. Once you have the black victim, you have power..."

"Barack Obama was the president for no reason under the sun except for the fact that he was black, and he gave millions and millions of American people an opportunity to vote in a way that proved they were innocent of racism. He understood that America is hungry to prove this... "

"Here’s the thing, this is my passion, the people who get hurt are black people, because we sit there stupidly - there’s no other word for it - and define ourselves as victims of…white racism, and therefore we…make a hard identity out of being a victim. Well how well do victims do in life? So in a sense we’ve gotten lost, we’ve sold our soul in the hopes we can get some white people somewhere to fix all the problems we have. Now where has that ever happened in the human condition? …whites can feel all the guilt they want to feel, is that going to get you ahead, is that going to help your child develop and learn to read and to do well in school and so on up the ladder. This is the unspoken tragedy of American life, I think, is that the people that liberalism tries to help are precisely the people that liberalism oppresses. "

"...I would like to see an ethos in America. The person who said this beautifully after the Civil War was Frederick Douglass who, they asked him, now that we freed blacks, what should we do? Leave us alone. Leave us alone. Period. We’ll figure it out. We’ll find our strength. We’ll find our voice. We’ll find our real power. We…used to do this kind of thing."

"...by some estimates, the government has spent since the 60s over 22 trillion dollars on programs in the inner city…Today by every single socioeconomic measure we’re behind whites, farther than we were in the 50s when none of this existed. That level of failure is almost incomprehensible. Yet we completely ignore it, and wonder about what: reparations. As far as I’m concerned, my test for other blacks: you give me all the reparations you want to give me, I’m gonna tell you to stick it where the moon don’t shine. I’m going to have my dignity. You’re not gonna take that away, and at the end of the day, that’s what we’re talking about. What kind of self-esteem do you have? What kind of pride do you really have? When you have children and you don’t raise them? …The issue here is self-pride, is self-esteem. Let white people worry about reparations. Let other people be foolish. We should not waste our time, not one minute. "

"Affirmative action? So what you do is you take the stigma of black inferiority and then you impose it on us once again by saying “you wouldn’t be in these universities if you weren’t black”. So, again, you’re rewarded for your inferiority, not because of your talent, and so you have no pride, you think the thing for me to do is cry and beg. You become as I say a “militant beggar”. And society is so damn guilty they know they go over the details of slavery and all this all over again that they’re quite happy to put a little something in your hand, just a little something. When you say I’m going to go out and make it on my own, I’m going to take it, then you’ll be where you need to be. Until we do that, then we’re gonna in fact to live an inferior existence. There’s nothing you can do to help us. Frederick Douglass said this 150 years ago: Leave us alone. Booker T. Washington said, Cast down your buckets where you are. …so reparations is, we can have a big fat debate over that, blacks are still going to be at the bottom of every socioeconomic measure that we have."

Kap Wins wrote:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality/?fbclid=IwAR2yOw4XjivkBhnMLqiCsvxfXT3HZClMayfBOAfNTrGYqkwrJt-eapv3PDI#6e06e7fd5edb

Funny how no one has anything to say about this. Where are all the "if they just complied" people now? Where are the racism deniers? Where the hell is Rojo?

They're not calling it racism. Plus given everyone is on Floyd's side- there is none shown. No proof even race was a motive. 52% of people killed by cops are white.

Kap Wins wrote:

When sports start up again, plan on kneeling during the anthem being the norm.

Kap wins!

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/1216403564/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

How many black men died before we had a wonderful kneeling cop picture?

If the inside of your body is private as you argue that it is, then why do you advocate tolerating the slicing through of bodies with scalpels during abortions? You applied your logic to the mother but not to the child she carries.

Lambo Owner wrote:

Kap Wins wrote:

When sports start up again, plan on kneeling during the anthem being the norm.

Kap wins!

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/1216403564/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

How many black men died before we had a wonderful kneeling cop picture?

They are not kneeling while the US National Anthem plays, are they? That is a rather significant distinction.

poiuyt wrote:

If the inside of your body is private as you argue that it is, then why do you advocate tolerating the slicing through of bodies with scalpels during abortions? You applied your logic to the mother but not to the child she carries.

You don't have an argument.

If someone is in your house you have a right to ask whether you want them there. And if you don't you can ask them to leave. That doesn't mean that person doesn't have an equal right to a house it's just you don't have to provide them with one.

All bodies are private. If there's another body inside you have the right to remove them if you don't want them there.

appleswan wrote:

poiuyt wrote:

If the inside of your body is private as you argue that it is, then why do you advocate tolerating the slicing through of bodies with scalpels during abortions? You applied your logic to the mother but not to the child she carries.

You don't have an argument.

If someone is in your house you have a right to ask whether you want them there. And if you don't you can ask them to leave. That doesn't mean that person doesn't have an equal right to a house it's just you don't have to provide them with one.

All bodies are private. If there's another body inside you have the right to remove them if you don't want them there.

How vapid your house analogy is. The child is not an intruder. The mother, with a small but very significant contribution from the father, conceived that body inside her own body. She owes it some responsibilities.

You and I have a right to distance ourselves from others. We are disallowed from killing others to achieve our desired distancing as we are responsible for respecting their lives to at least some extent.

appleswan wrote:

poiuyt wrote:

If the inside of your body is private as you argue that it is, then why do you advocate tolerating the slicing through of bodies with scalpels during abortions? You applied your logic to the mother but not to the child she carries.

You don't have an argument.

If someone is in your house you have a right to ask whether you want them there. And if you don't you can ask them to leave. That doesn't mean that person doesn't have an equal right to a house it's just you don't have to provide them with one.

All bodies are private. If there's another body inside you have the right to remove them if you don't want them there.

And would you allow yourself to have your limbs ripped off with forceps or any part of you to be dismembered with a scalpel, possibly with incredibly brutal pain? I hope not.

Classic. A thread about Kaepernick's stance against police brutality becomes an argument about abortion.

poiuyt wrote:

How vapid your house analogy is. The child is not an intruder. The mother, with a small but very significant contribution from the father, conceived that body inside her own body. She owes it some responsibilities.

You and I have a right to distance ourselves from others. We are disallowed from killing others to achieve our desired distancing as we are responsible for respecting their lives to at least some extent.

My house analogy is perhaps vapid but sometimes it's necessary to take the emotion out of discussion. These are not easy topics for anyone. People who are pro-choice have doubts about their views. I never see pro-lifers entertain the thought they might be wrong.

I agree a fetus / embryo / baby, whatever description you want to use has a right to be respected as a life. But just as your right to life does not compel me to provide you with life, nor does your right to life compel me to give up my right to privacy; neither should the offspring's right to life compel its parent to do these things either.

Your original point was with regard to black women aborting more pregnancies than white women. I would implore you to support BLM who want to address structural racism. The abortion statistic for black women will be reduced if they are listened to. For yourself don't dismiss an organization just because they also happen to support a cause you disagree with. Abortion rights are not front and center of their campaign - don't make perfect the enemy of good - right?

John Macardle wrote:

Classic. A thread about Kaepernick's stance against police brutality becomes an argument about abortion.

Rather, what is classic is that it strikes you as odd that attention is drawn to someone who is an icon for many in the Black Lives Matter movement yet supports an entity that deliberately, disproportionately, slaughters innocent black lives, often with excruciating pain - as if to say "Black Lives Matter, but not all black lives." That's reminiscent of Orwell's famous line "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

appleswan wrote:

I would implore you to support BLM who want to address structural racism. The abortion statistic for black women will be reduced if they are listened to. For yourself don't dismiss an organization just because they also happen to support a cause you disagree with. Abortion rights are not front and center of their campaign - don't make perfect the enemy of good - right?

Can we agree on this part? Just because Kap supports abortion rights doesn't mean him and BLM are not fighting racism. More equality = less black abortions.

Reach out and try to work with people you disagree with (like I'm doing with you). If you only campaign with people you agree 100% with, you'll be siloed and nothing will change. Instead, if you care about aborted babies (which you sincerely do) work with BLM.

poiuyt wrote:

John Macardle wrote:

Classic. A thread about Kaepernick's stance against police brutality becomes an argument about abortion.

Rather, what is classic is that it strikes you as odd that attention is drawn to someone who is an icon for many in the Black Lives Matter movement yet supports an entity that deliberately, disproportionately, slaughters innocent black lives, often with excruciating pain - as if to say "Black Lives Matter, but not all black lives." That's reminiscent of Orwell's famous line "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

Unfortunately for your argument abortion is not the slaughtering of innocent lives, no matter how many times you attempt to insist otherwise.

NFL admits it was wrong about kneeling.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/roger-goodell-nfl-admits-we-were-wrong-on-player-protests-black-lives-matter-224540686.html

NativeSon wrote:

NFL admits it was wrong about kneeling.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/roger-goodell-nfl-admits-we-were-wrong-on-player-protests-black-lives-matter-224540686.html

Crickets!