What’s the problem? Probably good advice for someone who has led a sedentary lifestyle up to a certain point in their lives then tried to turn things around. Good for them.
The thread goes on with people who don’t know how wide the gap is between themselves and actual runners, but you’d find that in any hobby. The gap is even wider for swimming, for example.
I can’t believe people are okay with sucking
I feel like I would end up on a watchlist from visiting the site at this point. Degenerates.
WFH Mileage 2 wrote:
What’s the problem? Probably good advice for someone who has led a sedentary lifestyle up to a certain point in their lives then tried to turn things around. Good for them.
The thread goes on with people who don’t know how wide the gap is between themselves and actual runners, but you’d find that in any hobby. The gap is even wider for swimming, for example.
I suppose that is true
I have the same attitude with life.
It doesn't really matter that I have to pick-up an unemployment check and live in my parent's basement. At least I am better than those people on the street.
I'm not clicking on the thread, but the first post is exactly what a beginning runner should do.
Anyone who has seen me post here knows my take.
At best, i have been a 5k runner in the 19-20 range: 19:56 1992 best; 19:35 2015 best.
8k high school age: 35:59.... Best as an adult: 33:52
10k best: 42:27
HM best: 1:41:10
Many of the runners here have times more like:
5k hs: 15:40
8k college: 26:40
10k best: 33:10
Some are a smidge faster or slower.
But I like this tweet. Why?
I know only ran cross country in my senior year of high school.
Our first prelim race i had an injury and ran a 27:57. Worst on the course.
In the Laguna Hills meet, I dropped to 24:04 (3 mile course -- 8:01 per mile one week later)
Woodbridge? 23:00 (still slow but 7:40 per mile....one week after Laguna Hills)
Dana Hills? 21:41 (still slow...but 7:14 per mile...one week after Woodbridge)
End of the year, my 5k CC best was 22:02 (7:06 pace)
Had I beaten myself up over one performance, I'd have stopped.
In 1992 at the Carlsbad 5000, I saw William Mutwol 13:12 beat future Olympian the late Richard Chelimo 13:20.
Here's what I knew then and know now...I will never be as fast as the swiftest ever...but if I know I did my best at the time, I am the best me relative to the best them.
I am 46 and I still love to run fast or slow and still love to watch those whom I'll never catch...
Nobody, beginner or master should ever worry about others ' time
In the end, about 99.6% of the world is making a living running
Add a not to my final sentence. Thanks.
So, if somebody isn't a billionaire, no sense being in business? No sense running a 25' 5k - even though 75 years old? You are either a winner or a loser, right?
No. This isn't the game. The game is to "aspire" to be #1. And what you consider #1 might be just your local age group competition. Nothing wrong with that. Also, nothing wrong with aspiring to maintain PRs even tho you are getting older.
What IS wrong is the self-enslaved 25 year old's mindset that is so fearful of being mediocre! - Running in terror that they would lose all Being if they had a mediocre race result, and disrespecting all others who have a strong enough ego to put things into balanced perspective.
reddit2 wrote:
I can’t believe people are okay with sucking
this is every thread on /r/running. A lot of threads are really just about justify being bad at running and not training hard.
If you just want to run for the sake of running, I fail to see the problem. I fail to see how that warrants this ridicule.
This website is filled with elitist-wannabes who take their self-hatred out on whoever they deem as lesser. It's pathetic.
That's the approach I took when I got into cycling. Slowly moving up the ranks on Strava Segments.
keep in mind /r/running is for mostly beginners / hobby runners. A lot of the posts there are of the "I ran 2 miles for the first time today with walking!". /r/advancedrunning is where things get a little more beyond those just getting into jogging since the lock down started.
I was reading Ryan Halls book yesterday and this is literally one of the things he did: focus on himself, not on what other people were doing. All in all, it worked out pretty well for him.
r/running is full of losers who flock together to rationalize their lack of motivation. That thread is a perfect example. Sure, you shouldn’t beat yourself up because you can’t run a WR pace, but you should strive to maximize your potential by working as hard as you can. And part of doing that involves knowing what a “reasonably fast” pace is for a given event by studying the results of others. Set your goal—say, a 2:45 marathon, which is certainly possible for any healthy man—and work towards it.
r/running acts like a sub-20 5k is some insane feat, when really it’s quite easy for any healthy man to run at that pace if they put even just a little bit of effort into it. But of course, people are too lazy to actually work for something and would rather flock together with other losers and pretend that “not everyone is capable of doing that” and that “my 30 minute 5k is still great!”
Why?
You are talking, very arrogantly, from the position of someone who thinks running is a very important aspect of life. That you should be setting goals and pushing yourself.
For some, it's not important at all. They might like to keep fit and that's all. Do a sponsored distance race for charity. Other aspects of heir life are far more important to them.
Not everyone sees life through the same eyes. Plenty of people don't give a sht about running nor care what 'reasonably fast' people run for a certain distance. And why should they? Because you think it's important?
ex-runner wrote:
Why?
You are talking, very arrogantly, from the position of someone who thinks running is a very important aspect of life. That you should be setting goals and pushing yourself.
For some, it's not important at all. They might like to keep fit and that's all. Do a sponsored distance race for charity. Other aspects of heir life are far more important to them.
Not everyone sees life through the same eyes. Plenty of people don't give a sht about running nor care what 'reasonably fast' people run for a certain distance. And why should they? Because you think it's important?
There is little point in going deeper than this - you're hitting bedrock on this forum. For a lot of LRC posters, running/achievement is a compulsion they don't recognize. They just do it because they don't know what they'd do without it, and they don't know why everyone else doesn't function the same way, and they're done trying to figure it out. So they judge. It's this missing introspection and awareness of the differences between people. Impossible to imagine why anyone would do things differently than me. Namely, it's a lack of empathy.
/r/running is for people who run a few times a week. Most people who go there have no concept of how much they'd improve if they just ran more miles per week. Not that it matters to them as 15 mpw is as much as they want to do.
Letsrun is for people who are obsessed with running. Most people on letsrun have been running since their schooldays and now are in their 30's. Most people on letsrun have no concept of what it's like to start running as an adult.
There's nothing wrong with running at any standard, but the elitist beginner attitude on there is pretty disrespectful. Most people on r/running seem to think that you're a 'genetic anomaly' if you can run a 20 minute 5k, when in reality it's a fairly easy time to achieve for anyone training for more than a couple of weeks, and an easy jog for us 'more serious' runners.
They set themselves either super unrealistic goals (e.g. going from 25:00 5k to 15:00 in 6 months) or pat themselves on the back for achieving ridiculously easy goals (e.g. a man in his 20s celebrating running a sub-50 10k after an entire YEAR of training!) And if you dare to be realistic with them (Hey man, that sounds a bit unrealistic, but maybe sub-19 could be possible for you) or (At your age, if you just trained more than once a week, you could knock a huge chunk off that 50 minute 10k) you are downvoted into oblivion for being 'elitist' or 'a genetic freak' etc.
There was one post where someone was wondering why they aren't improving when they run their easy runs at 13 (yes, THIRTEEN) minutes per mile, and I tried to give them advice of going a bit quicker on easy days, since 13:00 pace is walking pace, and I was met with a swarm of angry replies calling me, you guessed it, elitist, genetic freak etc.
It's basically the opposite of this site, where anyone short of olympic standard is a 'slow hobby jogger' and anyone who IS olympic standard is 'obviously doping'.