Runner's World defense of hobby jogging: Can we all just agree to stop using "Jogger" as an insult?

I agree with this.

I have actually met and shaken hands with Bernard Lagat. He's a great guy.

Meb has done so much for racing including saving the Carlsbad 5000.

I have volunteered at a CSUSM track meet in the past. Steve Scott is a Nice guy. A bit edgy as a coach but nice.

His assistant coach gave me propz while I was running around the CSUSM track on one particular day.

I agree it's the angry almosts that create the separation.

Good point.

I had a PT call pool running "jacket jogging" I was offended.

DanM wrote:

Is there a chart that distinguishes between who is a runner and who is a hobby jogger ?

Age 60. Male. What are the minimum 5K and 10K times that qualify me as a runner ?

To be objective and not be condescending, there is a difference between the two forms.

Your PRs may or may not distinguish the form you take

Jogging, done slower than running, is being done when your stride length and speed leaves the back foot on the ground while the front foot lands meaning one or both feet are always on the ground.

With running, your speed and the vertical component means only one or no feet are on the ground at the same time.

Kind of an athletic delineation, objectively, on its face, without derision.

who called you a jogger and where on this doll did they hurt you? (we don't say 'jogger' the appropriate term is 'j-word')

talking times: hobby joggers are....

not sub 4:20 in the mile

not sub 15:30 in a track 5k

not sub 1:14 in the half

and

not sub 2:30 in the thon'

Anyone know what the time would be over a 1 mile TT that distinguishes between a "jogger" and a "runner?"

Age 59 with post-traumatic OA and other chronic injuries - 7:05 is my most recent time. Am I a "jogger" or "runner?" ? (I ran 5 flat in my younger healthier days - like 25 yrs ago. Lol).

It doesn't really matter whether or not I should call myself a "runner" or "jogger" as I mainly run/jog for fitness because of these chronic injuries. But I'm just curious and I'll leave it up to the LRC experts as to whether or not I can proudly say I'm a "runner" ? or apprehensively say I'm a "jogger." ?

I would say you are a runner. Not many hobby joggers run that kind of mileage or those times. Since you have a competitive mindset and enjoy the competition aspect of the sport, that makes you a runner. Hobby joggers are mostly into running for fitness and the social aspect, not so much competition.

For more distinction, hobby joggers are the ones that make you laugh for the things they do. They are the ones running with water vests or drinking water at the one mile mark of a 5k.

Hobby joggers are the ones wearing the race t shirt on race day

If you are listening to music during a race, especially a 5k or 10k, you are a hobby jogger.

hhd7dhdhwjdbdh wrote:

Rhodium Nights wrote:

You are confusing the internet for real life.

Go to any road race and you will see OVERWHELMING positive energy towards everyone. Nobody cares how fast you run and everyone is proud of everyone for finishing.

Runners do support each other in real life.

I've seen "hobby jogger" thrown around as an insult here many times. I've even seen it thrown at people that qualified for the Olympic trials.

Exactly what I just said. You've seen hobby jogger thrown around as an insult "here", meaning, on LRC, the internet.

The internet is not real life. Runners don't insult slower runners to their face and at any road race, there is nothing but support for ALL the runners, including and especially the back of the pack crowd.

You are still confusing what happens on the internet to what happens in the real world.

C jessup wrote:

[quote]Rhodium Nights wrote:

All the pros I’ve met have been very nice and encouraging. All the everyday runners are also very nice. There’s a small subset of good runner who are jerks - never said they were my friends. I’ve seen these types yell. Yell at kids for lining up in front of them or make jokes about pushing them down. I’ve seen them complain about not getting comp entry. Or leave a soon as they are done and ignore other runners.

This was in the NE.

Ah that makes sense. NE is a cesspool of overworked assholes. All the nice people left NE a looooong time ago.

Every body in America is a hobby jogger except for Rupp

I prefer yogger anyway. It’s a soft “J”

Anchor Man wrote:

Every body in America is a hobby jogger except for Rupp

I prefer yogger anyway. It’s a soft “J”

Was just coming here to post this.

johnny5 wrote:

Anchor Man wrote:

Every body in America is a hobby jogger except for Rupp

I prefer yogger anyway. It’s a soft “J”

Was just coming here to post this.

LOL.

Bernard Lagat is also not a hobby jogger.

It's usually only the 4:30/17:30 crowd that behaves like this.

Rhodium Nights wrote:

hhd7dhdhwjdbdh wrote:

I've seen "hobby jogger" thrown around as an insult here many times. I've even seen it thrown at people that qualified for the Olympic trials.

Exactly what I just said. You've seen hobby jogger thrown around as an insult "here", meaning, on LRC, the internet.

The internet is not real life. Runners don't insult slower runners to their face and at any road race, there is nothing but support for ALL the runners, including and especially the back of the pack crowd.

You are still confusing what happens on the internet to what happens in the real world.

Unless everyone that posts here is a bot they are real people, in the real world, that are having these thoughts in the real world. They may post them here, on the Internet, but they are still thought in the real world. The people are just too chickensh** to say what they really feel to anyone's face but that doesn't make it any less real. People don't post things on the Internet they don't think in real life.

So what’s the problem with differentiating between runners and joggers and having these thoughts? Are you offended that runners don’t consider hobby joggers in the same class? I don’t see sub-elite runners crying about how they aren’t considered elite. We differentiate between minor league and major league players. We differentiate between community/Rec leagues versus select/travel leagues in other sports. We differentiate between Magna, Summa, and Cvm laude. We differentiate between doctors with a MD versus “doctors” with a PHD.

Hobby joggers that are complaining fall into the “give everyone a participation trophy” category.

Here is the truth. We runners RESPECT hobby joggers for getting outside and putting one foot in front of the other. Yes, there are things hobby joggers do that runners find funny (wearing race shirts at race, wearing water vests for 5ks, stopping for water at mile 1, listening to music in a 5k/10k). However, we are still going to cheer you on and offer advice if needed. We just don’t want to be considered in the same class because it’s an insult to us and the hard work we put in.

For runners, running is a passion and they exhibit traits that show it is a passion. Hobby joggers don’t exhibit these same traits.

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Anyone know what the time would be over a 1 mile TT that distinguishes between a "jogger" and a "runner?"

Age 59 with post-traumatic OA and other chronic injuries - 7:05 is my most recent time. Am I a "jogger" or "runner?" ? (I ran 5 flat in my younger healthier days - like 25 yrs ago. Lol).

It doesn't really matter whether or not I should call myself a "runner" or "jogger" as I mainly run/jog for fitness because of these chronic injuries. But I'm just curious and I'll leave it up to the LRC experts as to whether or not I can proudly say I'm a "runner" ? or apprehensively say I'm a "jogger." ?

Great question. Not that this IS Letsrun dot com where you are slow at >13:30 5K/2:12 marathon, a poor unless you make $250K a year, own (not mortgage) a $1/2 M home, and must have graduated Ivy League or Stanford (few other exceptions like MIT or Johns Hopkins), ran D1 or at least got a scholarship offer at a Power5 school.

That said, Ed Whitlock is the masters standard of excellence and you are kind of a no one unless you're at least approaching his levels. 94% age grade.

So your answer for a 59 year old is a 4:52.