Have any other nation’s citizens pushed back at stay-at-home orders more than Americans?

Yep. You got it. Alpha male= a$$

Asserting the right to do that makes you alpha because you're trying to dominate.

So yes, you've become an alpha because Covid-19 has made you an a$$.

Glad you know it.

Neither of us unequivocally know if the majority of users of the LRC site support stay at home regulations that have been implemented or not. I said i suspect it. I never claimed to know it. Then i supported with material from a well respected journal about the population at large.

Mine is a view, made honestly and without bias, and with some evidence that it may be reasonably true. If you have an issue with that, I suggest you examine your own biases.

Best of luck going forward with your gym, and your life and health. And your patron's lives and health, too.

In that vein, i see the stay at home orders being implemented (and defended herein) as the quickest way to get us back open for all to enjoy, in good health, and alive, simply because if we open too soon, we are going to have huge spikes which will necessitate further closings, which we may be able to avoid if we just do it right the first time.

why can kids and teens in Holland play with each other while in cerrtain states they're not even in playground, which is locked, for everyone?

what's your endgame with this?

keep mask shaming runners and cyclists outdoors - who are zero threat to anyone - that's super helpful in all ways.

rg2 wrote:

Is their a country as great as America that has stood as long as we have? It’s not a coincidence, when you take away people’s freedoms or promote a socialist society your nation will fail.

except for all the socialist countries that are doing better than us....

My endgame?

I didn't make the orders, but in the interest of safety, I will definitely follow them and others should.

I commend you for bringing the kid angle in to garner support and bolster the argument for your freedom to do what you want to do. Very clever.

But these orders keep the kids safe too. Marijuana is also legal all around Holland. We don't need to be reckless like Holland.

Americans have always been rebellious, regardless we are the best and most unified and most Patriotic. Personally I wish (IN THIS CASE WITH THE PANDEMIC) we were more cautious and listen to the leaders who have our best interest's at heart, but that is not who we are, we are defiant, rebellious even when it could hurt us.

Andy the arrogant American wrote:

Looking at the US media outlets vs foreign media outlets I’ve seen it seems like Americans are pushing back more at stay-at-home orders than any other country I’ve read about. There seems to be constant protests, out right defiance and just an unwillingness of law enforcement to enforce the various lockdown orders.

Have any other countries witnessed their citizens being as defiant or, for lack of better word, naughty, as the Americans? It seems to me from what I’ve read most other nations’ citizens have been pretty compliant with the lockdown orders.

Besides posting here, have you personally pushed back?

It takes a lot more than an American flag being flown on a Harley to make patriotism.

To not care if other Americans get sick is not patriotic and not American.

Or maybe America has changed. Our new America is rancor and might and heft with a pronounced lack of honor.

In other words, the new America would be encapsulated in this rewording of President John F. Kennedy 's quote, "Ask not what I can do for America but what America can do for me."

Modern America doesn't look at life as patriotism, but ...

The stock market....UP 320 POINTS in ONE day! I love America!!!!

A work raise...I MAKE $5,000 more per year!!! I love America!!!!!!

A promotion...I'm a MANAGER now...I love America.

Patriotism?

Try pandering. You love America when it gives you what you want.

The homeless Veterans out there that don't get what they need? THEY love America! THEY gave everything in the wars and aren't getting back what they deserve. Yet every day they fight to stay alive and every Memorial, Independence and Veterans Day, they celebrate because they ARE American and they ARE patriots.

What many of you call patriotism is tied to your business or job which gives you life's luxuries. But don't mistake yourselves for patriotic Americans. American soldiers risked life and limb to save fellow Americans. First responders risked life and limb to save Americans. The doctor, nurses, nursing assistants, and all essential workers risk their lives every day so we can have the care, goods and services we need.

Yet you won't even follow orders to save YOUR fellow Americans.

Don't call yourself a patriot. That's patronizing America.

You’ve got a point.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

It is funny how this has developed. I have never been called a”macho man” in my life until COVID-19 popped up. Now simple activities like getting getting a drink at a bar, going to work or having a BBQ with friends (I’ll be participating in this “macho” activity today) makes you some kind of alpha male. I mean I guess I kind of like being called an “alpha” , although it has never been easier to be considered one.

Going to a bar is not Alpha. Alpha would be going to a bar and smacking some mask-wearing wimp upside the head, causing him to spill his light beer. That would be American-Alpha behavior (I'll be participating in that activity today, if I can).

seattle prattle wrote:

I suggest you examine your own biases.

Always, and that’s my point here as well. Even when we think we’re being unbiased, we often are! Glad we could agree in some form.

For the record, I’m living in the southeast, but I was not raised here. New York City, actually. I think the guys arguing here, and especially here in the south could use time to reflect on their own ideals. Lol, peace man.

I didn't come over on the Mayflower either wrote:

Our country was founded on rebels and it sets us apart. How are rebels fairing in China, Russia, Cuba, Vietnam to name a few?

China, Russia (the Soviet Union). Cuba and Vietnam were all founded on rebels. Who do you think Mao, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh and Castro were?

And how did Daniel Shays, Nat Turner and John Brown fare just to name a few?

realistsometimes wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

I suggest you examine your own biases.

Always, and that’s my point here as well. Even when we think we’re being unbiased, we often are! Glad we could agree in some form.

For the record, I’m living in the southeast, but I was not raised here. New York City, actually. I think the guys arguing here, and especially here in the south could use time to reflect on their own ideals. Lol, peace man.

Likewise.

Can't wait to get back to being able to go to the gym. Missing it a lot.

But even when the stay at home order is lifted, will really have to think about how safe i feel jumping back in.

Before mine was closed, i went up to one week before it was mandated to be closed. And let me tell you, those last couple of days i did go, it was way less than half the usual turn out. Then i sat it out (didn't go) for the last week/5 days it was still allowed to be open.

What i am getting at is at least here, in this part of the country, a number of people voluntarily quarantined, on their own, without being forced to do it.

Not saying this is good or bad or anything of the sort. A vaccine would probably go a long way to making people feel more comfortable about getting back to normal.

Take care and i've got to imagine this must be a really hard position to be in for you.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Damn the Government for trying to mitigate illness and death.

What horrible people the governors must be.

Yeah back to reality. Do some of you undergo special training to be such rebellious jerks?

Nope. Do you undergo some kind of training to be such an effeminate bootlicking coward?

Lol at effeminate... Still trying to figure out how the white trash of America got so insecure in their masculinity. Keep pumping yourself up there buddy.

carry the zero wrote:

except for all the socialist countries that are doing better than us....

Better at what, keeping their boots on the necks of their citizens? Prosecuting and locking up those "not with the program?" Taking away even more freedoms, in the name of order, civility, and righteousness?

No thanks. I'll take my chances here in the Wild West.

I wonder if people would have these same reactions if the government imposed restrictions during wartime.

You make it sound like Americans care more about Money and Job Titles than Love of Country, That is NOT TRUE, We believe in JFK's ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your Country, After The Pearl Harbor Attack Their were Long Lines at all the Military Recruiting Stations of people who wanted to join including those Too Old or Too Young who often lied to try to get in, There were only 130 Million people back then, Imagine how long the lines would be now if we were attacked , now that we have 330 Millions? I always think of the Quote by Nathan Hale when he was faced with execution as to how OVER 95% of the 330 Million Americans feel about the USA (My only regret is I have only one life to give for my Country (USA) We disagree on many things, but nearly all Americans would gladly give their lives for love of Country.

Numbers looking like 5X seasonal flu with no vax in sight

https://covid19-projections.com/

Wear masks inside and lets start to do everything except gyms and crowded indoor places.

I'm not fully buying that.

Right now we have a lot of Americans who would rather do what they want at the risk of others' lives and call it love of country.

If, as you so eloquently explain, many Americans would rise to fight for their country, then it means that they would have to follow the laws of the US Government, the Codes of the US Armed Forces, the Codes of the branch of service they chose and the orders of their superiors, enlisted or officer.

If they can't follow a government order to protect their fellow Americans in a battle of life or death against a deadly viral pandemic, what makes you think that they would do the same for the country?

Do Americans only become important to protect when one has a gun in a platoon?

Certainly our soldiers have honor and followed the laws, codes and orders. Some paid the highest price.

But despite that, we can't listen to our government?