Have any other nation’s citizens pushed back at stay-at-home orders more than Americans?

Stoppit Smith wrote:

And what are you prepared to tell people after this big man rhetoric and name calling if you end up with Covid-19 and it's something you can't conquer?

Just wondering.

Runner10287 wrote:

You’re logic baffles me and sadly is the logic of the stay home forever cowards. 40 million didn’t and won’t die. You seriously come across as if you want that to happen because it gives you satisfaction to yell at people to stay home. It’s so bizarre and disgusting. Most people see through your little fear games

I probably wouldn’t tell anyone anything but at the end of the day I’ll take my 99% chance of surviving.

Feel free to keep hiding in your safe basement (possibly with gloves on?). I’ll continue to experience freedom, going to work, bars, restaurants, meeting up with friends, etc. At the end of the day we are all going to have to make our own choices regardless of how much the stay-at-home crowd kicks and screams.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

And what are you prepared to tell people after this big man rhetoric and name calling if you end up with Covid-19 and it's something you can't conquer?

Just wondering.

Runner10287 wrote:

You’re logic baffles me and sadly is the logic of the stay home forever cowards. 40 million didn’t and won’t die. You seriously come across as if you want that to happen because it gives you satisfaction to yell at people to stay home. It’s so bizarre and disgusting. Most people see through your little fear games

Like I’ve never felt a little sick before? Are you afraid of feeling a tad under the weather?

Stoppit Smith wrote:

As an addendum, I see a lot of tough guy rhetoric from people which makes no sense when youll have to follow orders anyway.

Take the gym owner from New Jersey. He publicly stated his gym will stay open, and it did. So Governor Phil Murphy and the NJ State Health Department shut him down.

So here's this big macho guy doing a video about how his gym was shut down, but it was still shut down. The macho rhetoric is fun for some, I suppose, but it doesn't accomplish anything.

It's out of place in a pandemic situation.

Is there anyone with some training in psychology that can explain the desire to be controlled and follow orders? No matter how ridiculous said orders are?

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

And what are you prepared to tell people after this big man rhetoric and name calling if you end up with Covid-19 and it's something you can't conquer?

Just wondering.

I probably wouldn’t tell anyone anything but at the end of the day I’ll take my 99% chance of surviving.

Feel free to keep hiding in your safe basement (possibly with gloves on?). I’ll continue to experience freedom, going to work, bars, restaurants, meeting up with friends, etc. At the end of the day we are all going to have to make our own choices regardless of how much the stay-at-home crowd kicks and screams.

They’ll keep moving the goal post.

I understand you have to minimize and belittle the effects of the virus to further perpetuate your macho claims. But seriously, for starters, if you're on a running website called let's run?? You aren't macho. So let's get rid of that pretense and stop faking our personality through a screen. There is plenty of evidence to support that it's more than a little sick. And you (or your friends and associates) can't guarantee what is going to happen if you get it. Have you lived long enough where dying doesn't matter?

Runner10287 wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

And what are you prepared to tell people after this big man rhetoric and name calling if you end up with Covid-19 and it's something you can't conquer?

Just wondering.

Like I’ve never felt a little sick before? Are you afraid of feeling a tad under the weather?

These ten states lead the nation in increasing daily new cases:

Montana, +257% over 2 weeks, no stay-at-home orders since late April

Arkansas, +130%, no stay-at-home orders since late April

North Dakota, +68%, no stay-at-home orders since late April

South Carolina, +43%, no stay-at-home orders since early May

West Virginia, +41%, no stay-at-home orders since early May

Maine, +36%, statewide stay-at-home order

Louisiana, +25%, no stay-at-home orders since mid-May

Nevada, +24%, statewide stay-at-home order

Idaho, +21%, no stay-at-home orders since early May

Alabama, +18%, no stay-at-home orders since early May

These ten states are the fastest decreasing:

Hawaii, -60%, statewide stay-at-home order

Vermont, -51%, statewide stay-at-home order

Kansas, -47%, no stay-at-home orders since mid-May

Kentucky, -41%, stay-at-home order lifted past few days

New York, -39%, statewide stay-at-home order

New Jersey, -37%, statewide stay-at-home order

Oregon, -37%, statewide stay-at-home order

South Dakota, -36%, no stay-at-home orders since late April

Missouri, -30%, no stay-at-home orders since early May

Massachusetts, -29%, stay-at-home order ongoing for high risk groups

The states that are doing better (declining daily case counts rather than growing) have, on average, had stay-at-home orders in place much longer, which people can check here:

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/state-data-and-policy-actions-to-address-coronavirus/

Good joke. The states with increases are the states that have the fewest deaths and the states with the lowest increase have the most deaths. Your stupid facts would be like bragging that you got a 10% raise this year while I only got 5% but you make $50K and I make $500k.

[quote]Stoppit Smith wrote:

I understand you have to minimize and belittle the effects of the virus to further perpetuate your macho claims. But seriously, for starters, if you're on a running website called let's run?? You aren't macho.

So let's get rid of that pretense and stop faking our personality through a screen.

There is plenty of evidence to support that it's more than a little sick. And you (or your friends and associates) can't guarantee what is going to happen if you get it.

Have you lived long enough where dying doesn't matter?

[quote]Runner10287 wrote:

[quote]Stoppit Smith wrote:

And what are you prepared to tell people after this big man rhetoric and name calling if you end up with Covid-19 and it's something you can't conquer?

Just wondering.

[quote]

I can’t guarantee I won’t die when I leave my house to go to work every morning. This was true before Corona, it’s true now and it’ll be true after Corona. However, I’m not going to just hide in my home because it’s a bit safer. This is not the kind of way I want to live life, however it seems like you’ve really grown into it, which is fine for you.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

As an addendum, I see a lot of tough guy rhetoric from people which makes no sense when youll have to follow orders anyway.

Take the gym owner from New Jersey. He publicly stated his gym will stay open, and it did. So Governor Phil Murphy and the NJ State Health Department shut him down.

So here's this big macho guy doing a video about how his gym was shut down, but it was still shut down. The macho rhetoric is fun for some, I suppose, but it doesn't accomplish anything.

It's out of place in a pandemic situation.

LOL!!!!!! Hilarious post. Take a reality pill. You're simply cherry picking and nothing else. One guy and his gym, wow! Macho Man? Ever hear of stats? Oh, you forgot the hair stylist, she's a Macho Lady, right?

Other countries have just as many defiant people, probably more, but it isn't newsworthy there like it is here, for YOU:).

When you truly understand how it is passed from person to person and how a virus will mutate, come back and talk to us. Take a Virology course and learn the facts, not the crap that you spew in an attempt to sound intelligent, which you are not.

Runner, Med Student & a Realist here, you're a cherry picker with very few facts. I might know anything, but it's a hell of a lot more than you. I bet you have family members who avoid you at parties and you don't even know it.

The thing about presenting data, is you can usually find a way to present anything in a way that supports your narrative.

These data are interesting in that they are simply raw number percentages. They are that are not presented with any sort of statistical analysis to determine validity (i.e. expected confidence interval based on sample size). These are similar to the metrics shown on the news: random snapshots with no overall context or meaningful analysis.

Based on random sampling, we could generate both a true infection rate and lethality rate. These data would allow us to evaluate and interpret the significance of these percentages. Are these swings within the normal variations caused by simple random error, or are these evident of actual trends?

It also should be stated how, at this point, we still lack a nationality agreed to definition for a true "COVID 19" death. The absence of this definition also makes these data a challenge to truly appreciate.

Finally, there is no definition for the time associates with the rate. Are these controlled with t0 = first recorded infection, or are the the rates calculated with simply a random start and end date? I am guessing the latter.

We must not forget that total lockdown — not the virus — is generating catastrophic harms. Restricting other medical care and instilling fear in the public is creating a massive health disaster, in addition to severe economic harms that could generate a world poverty crisis. In the U.S. alone, 150,000 new cancer cases arise every month among patients, and most have not been seen; of the 650,000 U.S. cancer patients receiving chemotherapy, an estimated half are missing their treatments. Half of urgent-care patients are not seeking medical attention; two-thirds of physical therapy is not being administered. Transplants from living donors are down almost 85 percent. Emergency stroke evaluations are down 40 percent. And that doesn’t include the two-thirds to three-fourths of people who are skipping cancer screenings and the more than half of children who are failing to receive vaccinations, all pointing to a massive future health disaster.

Here’s the real failure: Public policy must never be one-dimensional. It can never be foisted on people without careful consideration of its consequences, including the harms from the well-intentioned attempt to solve the initial problem. True leadership demands far more than empathy and caution. Leaders are expected to rationally integrate the evidence, even if complicated, and then apply policies using common sense and a knowledge-based perspective. Conveying rational thinking is how to reassure the public and instill confidence in a chosen pathway.

The total lockdown may have been justified at the start of this pandemic, but it must now end — smartly, without irrational, unnecessary requirements contrary to medical science, common sense and logic. The goal of the strict isolation was accomplished in the overwhelming majority of places. We have direct data on risk and extensive experience, individually and as a nation, with managing it, even as new cases arise. We know that gradually relaxing total isolation will lead to more infections, but that’s acceptable, given that we know whom to protect and this disease is not harmful to the vast majority of infected people.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/498180-were-risking-national-suicide-if-we-dont-adjust-our-pandemic-response

You don't exactly speak like a medical student, nor does anything you say to support your claim sound on that level. I'll give you that you run. But you're not being realistic and if you're truly studying medical, then you're not clinically qualified to judge intelligence levels. If you were already a doctor, you could get seriously disciplined for rendering expert advice in a different clinical discipline for which you aren't qualified. Furthermore, if you are qualified to judge intelligence, then you aren't qualified to school me on virology. But you gave me insight on your views when you mentioned parties. Yeah, I'm 46. I don't party. My family doesn't party. But for future reference, if you're going to attempt to demean someone's intellect, please at least sound somewhat smarter than the insultee. I can't trust anything you say for legitimate knowledge at this point. I'll listen to the experts, stay protected and let you have your parties. But I'm not listening to your regard.

gym halpert wrote:Finally, there is no definition for the time associates with the rate. Are these controlled with t0 = first recorded infection, or are the the rates calculated with simply a random start and end date? I am guessing the latter.

You guess wrong. They are rate of change in daily new cases over the past 2 weeks. I am using 7-day smoothed daily case data (taken from Johns Hopkins site), and then comparing the average of the past five days to the average of the five days ending two weeks earlier. Here are graphs of the three leaders in fastest increase and fastest decrease so you can see what the trends look like and judge for your own self.

Rising fastest:

Declining fastest:

Hey at least stopitsmith just acknowledged the individual’s right to live their lives as they see fit. We can go out and “party” and he can hide in his basement. I’m going to put that in the W column.

Congratulations! You'll win while you transmit to others. Good way to live. Bravo.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Hey at least stopitsmith just acknowledged the individual’s right to live their lives as they see fit. We can go out and “party” and he can hide in his basement. I’m going to put that in the W column.

seattle prattle wrote:

realistsometimes wrote:

Suspect on what? Intuition? C’mon bro, I haven’t posted in years, but I will now just so you understand you have no clue on the ratios here.

Sorry, but your views are not supported by the following:

"Beth Redbird, a sociologist at Northwestern University, has been surveying 200 people a day since mid-March, and “70 to 75 percent of people support most social-distancing measures,” she says. “Those are really large numbers in a society where 52 percent is often viewed as huge support. We rarely see that outside of authoritarian polling. Americans are by and large reading information in a very similar way.”"

Link:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/patchwork-pandemic-states-reopening-inequalities/611866/

Thanks for the link, I respect that. But, as a regional manager for a fitness chain in the southeast, Ive talked to hundreds of people in the last month, in person and through Facebook, Instagram, etc. These locations stem between multiple states. We have overwhelming support for keeping the country open, and almost exclusively folks want to reopen everything slowly but surely. I don’t want to claim this data as anything but meaningless, but to me it shows that studies are easily flawed, polls are questionable. I don’t buy how one person’s study reflects the thoughts of such an incredibly diverse and widespread country. I don’t think my anecdotal evidence matters much, but my point is, you don’t know what the population of letsrun supports as a majority. We are everywhere. Why make the claim? Why defend it? Cheers brotha!

I guarantee a more dominant male regularly pounds out your wife.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

I understand you have to minimize and belittle the effects of the virus to further perpetuate your macho claims. But seriously, for starters, if you're on a running website called let's run?? You aren't macho.

So let's get rid of that pretense and stop faking our personality through a screen.

There is plenty of evidence to support that it's more than a little sick. And you (or your friends and associates) can't guarantee what is going to happen if you get it.

Have you lived long enough where dying doesn't matter?

Runner10287 wrote:

Like I’ve never felt a little sick before? Are you afraid of feeling a tad under the weather?

I like how you consider living a normal life without undue fear to macho. You seem pretty insecure in yourself and, like most, are using a virus to bring down people to your level.

If you live your whole life afraid of death. You didn’t really live at all. But by all means avoid getting sick at ALL COST. So you can one day live to old age and look like back on a wasted life of fear. Best part is you’ll be old enough to be put in a nursing home. Where you can get infected with COVID-19!

Runner10287 wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

As an addendum, I see a lot of tough guy rhetoric from people which makes no sense when youll have to follow orders anyway.

Take the gym owner from New Jersey. He publicly stated his gym will stay open, and it did. So Governor Phil Murphy and the NJ State Health Department shut him down.

So here's this big macho guy doing a video about how his gym was shut down, but it was still shut down. The macho rhetoric is fun for some, I suppose, but it doesn't accomplish anything.

It's out of place in a pandemic situation.

Is there anyone with some training in psychology that can explain the desire to be controlled and follow orders? No matter how ridiculous said orders are?

He has the BDSM disease.