Have any other nation’s citizens pushed back at stay-at-home orders more than Americans?

I just don't see what is so difficult about following orders that were meant to keep us safe.

If i am at the store, I have a mask and gloves on.

Because I have to wash clothes at a laundromat, I go to our 24 hour one around 4 am so I am the only one there or one of two or three (it's a large laundromat)

I do all of my runs and walks in my neighborhood on areas that are low traffic and no sidewalks to minimize the amount of people I encounter. If i see someone on my side of the street, I cross. i used to run regularly on the greenway but with a lot of people, it's not safe.

I love that we had orders to keep us safe.

It kept the reckless partiers out of bars.

It kept large gatherings from happening.

It prevented large outbreaks from restaurants.

I'm not "vulnerable" at all technically . I have no pre-existing health conditions and have not missed a day of work due to illness in over 8 years. If i were sick, i would not come to work sick.

Yeah, given an order that restricts my freedom versus a foolish game of Russian Roulette against an unknown virus, I'll take the order.

Absolutely.

And yes...at the laundromat, i have mask, gloves and hand sanitizer, which i wipe the table for folding with before i put the clothes on it. And it's 70%.

You can choose to live your life as you see fit. However, don’t expect me to live by your standards.

Um. Not my standards. Remember, These were based on written orders from governors and safety guidelines from medical experts. These were the expected standards for Americans at the time. Not following them was actually unamerican.

You shouldn’t just blindly follow your government. Hasn’t worked well through out history.

Um blindly?

There was/is a pandemic. There is nothing blind about those orders that were set or for the safety intention of them.

The reasons in this case were justified, spelled out and thoroughly explained as to why they were necessary. Nobody was blindsided, whatsoever.

But let me now ask you....in light of this pandemic, exactly what infringement or abridging of your freedom was the fight for?

The freedom to die?

The freedom to give people Covid-19 like it was a party favor?

The freedom to ....what???

Stoppit Smith wrote:

And we should look to the wisdom of the nations with truly long histories and customs of how to be better people.

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ABSOLUTE LOL!!!

Learn your History.

These so-called established countries, looking at you colonist Europe, with "long histories" are responsible for the most suffering, death, and outright exploitation of countries they didn't deem to be as great as they.

So what did they do, well, they weren't refined and dignified, instead THEY were the animals, as they killed, destroyed, took what they wanted, and then left, taking the riches THEY wanted back to the strengthen their economies.

Now they look down their noses at the new kid's blips and growing pains, while forgetting their not so distant past and the atrocities they committed in the name of their Kings and Queens and expansionism.

So let's not pretend that anyone else's sh*t don't stink and they don't have immense amounts of blood on their hands, because if you have an education at all, you should know better.

I wonder how the founding fathers would have dealt with covid

Yet they've been educated on how to listen during a Pandemic.

And we're out protesting.

The US is not looking very good here in comparison.

Yes. We can learn from the other countries who had their growing pains centuries ago and learned how to follow together to get out of a tragedy like a pandemic.

We look like a country of punks.

We look like a country that loves freedom.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Damn the Government for trying to mitigate illness and death.

What horrible people the governors must be.

Yeah back to reality. Do some of you undergo special training to be such rebellious jerks?

Stay locked in your house, safe and warm and well fed, while getting your paycheck from your likely unimportant government job. And lecture others who don’t have that luxury.

Don’t worry about the millions out of work or the thousands of small businesses going under, because of a virus that almost exclusively is hazardous only for the old.

Don’t worry that we’ve flattened the curve already. Because you are a Democrat and you care about people!

props to you for having the patience for these folks, man. probably 98% of all people in todays social media echo chamber have given up on reaching common ground with anybody other than their cronies. despite that inevitability, i think theres real value to folks taking the time to just kind of explain, in a non combative way (unlike, say, most of the flu bros), what the thinking is. i appreciate you.

poppin peanuts wrote:

props to you for having the patience for these folks, man. probably 98% of all people in todays social media echo chamber have given up on reaching common ground with anybody other than their cronies. despite that inevitability, i think theres real value to folks taking the time to just kind of explain, in a non combative way (unlike, say, most of the flu bros), what the thinking is. i appreciate you.

why the finger pointing though?

xxxx wrote:

There have been protests in Germany, France, and Spain.

Yep...definitely in Germany where it got ugly:

Um.

I don't work for the government.

I'm on unemployment just like others who were forced by order to have their workplace close.

But you hit on a key point...small businesses. For every one of me who is respecting the safety aspect, there's a small business owner who would risk other people's lives to hustle for dollars.

One could easily wonder why a small business that has been established would not be able to weather 2 months of no business, but that is no reason why a business has to be open if it stands to infect a lot of people.

Look at the pastor in Louisiana. Look at the gym owner in NJ. These are two men who are hustling for dollars with other people's lives.

You can justify it as hazardous only to the old because you're looking at only dollars.

So you can lecture me about what I am or am not doing with regard to work or whatever, but I can assure you that hustling for your individual dollars while putting your patrons in the line of fire is, essentially, selfish.

And why did the curve flatten? People were staying home. There are upticks in several locations throughout the US. Why? The country opened.

Neither of us are doctors. We'd be best to listen to them.

kudosmyass wrote:

Americans are not 'compliant' - and never will be.

Yeah they are to big corporations and con artist politician.

Too dumb to see it.

STAY HOME LIKE TRUMP DID DURING VIETNAM.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/05/18/deaths-from-coronavirus-top-1000-among-veterans-affairs-patients/

WHO DO YOU HONOR?

Or party like Mark Twain

https://www.complex.com/life/2020/05/video-memorial-day-pool-party-ozarks-viral

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Yet they've been educated on how to listen during a Pandemic.

And we're out protesting.

The US is not looking very good here in comparison.

Yes. We can learn from the other countries who had their growing pains centuries ago and learned how to follow together to get out of a tragedy like a pandemic.

We look like a country of punks.

No thank you to following their "lead"..

Everything about those countries represents a legacy of death and destruction. They used up their resources, and then went and ruined other countries, and still haven't cleaned up the messes they made, or even apologized for setting these other countries back hundreds of years. Everything about them reeks of horrible leadership.

I think what you are missing is that they have a horrible, despicable mindset that is ingrained and goes back for hundreds of years. So again, no thank you to their in your eyes "golden example."

I think I would rather have my "punk attitude" that operates outside the box, that saved Europe's azz after WWI and WWII and all the other global catastrophe's they are responsible for rather than the rigid, cowering, unimaginative follower attitude that is endemic to the "established" countries.