Newbury Park's top three 3200 runners have run 8:40, 8:44 and 9:05 - Is that a record?

He was wrong. Most college runners drop about 30 seconds from high school through maturity. He just advertised the ones who made the biggest improvements instead of the guys who quit after 2 years because they didn't improve.

Kev2 wrote:

It might have been more like '78. That was the year Chapa ran 28 and change for the 10,000 m which is still the scholastic record. I though LaSalle Academy in RI had similar depth more recently

It was 1976 and Chapa ran 28:32. He qualified for the trials, but seemed to have burned out by then and ran north of 30:00.

Agree, their average times would be hard to find another group of three likely stack up especially what we all can likely conclude about Nico's fitness from last year. I wonder how many they could get sub 14:30 for 5k on that team. I bet 3-4. That is mind blowing.

I believe that it was actually '75 and Chapa was a junior. Along with Rudy, Keogh, and Pinkowski, they had a 4th runner at 9:09. That's a pretty good squad.

OldNECoach wrote:

I believe that it was actually '75 and Chapa was a junior. Along with Rudy, Keogh, and Pinkowski, they had a 4th runner at 9:09. That's a pretty good squad.

No, It was 1976 and you can confirm it in the T&F News lists. The OT qualifying time was soft at 28:40 and both Chapa and Hulst were going after it. I believe that Chapa going after the qualifying time prevented him from breaking 8:40 that year.

Chapa ran 29:11 in '75, 28:32 in '76, still his PB. Hammond HS has three under nine in '75, when Chapa was a junior and other two were seniors.

I believe that partly because coach Bill Dillinger was comparing Chapa t o Alberto Salazar. Chapa had considerably more raw leg speed. Obviously mid 28 shows a lot of strength too so sub 8:40 would have been very plausible.

Here's an article about their record. It was '75.

Watching practice wrote:

8:44 was in practice. Many teams have had 3 guys go faster in paced time trials in practice. They actually only have 1 guy sub 9. And besides that, Nico was shooting for 8:29 but ended up dropping out rather than get beat by his teammate.

Ya right. You're a moron.

Besides, Newbury Park actually have 4 guys who have gone 8:32 (converted 3k), 8:44, 8:57, and 9:05.

All on the same HS team in the same season.

If this isn't a red flag for PED than I don't know what is.

Are we to believe that NP can achieve in one season what the top programs in the nation haven't achieved in decades cumulatively?

Converting times from 2-miles to 3200m for the Hammond High boys, we have:

8:47.6 Chapa

8:49.4 Keogh

8:52.8 Pinkowski

That's an average time of 8:49.9

Newbury Park's average is 8:49.7

If you could transport the Indiana trio forward in time and give them the surfaces and shoes available today, I think it would more than make up the 2/10 differential.

Simple Runner wrote:

Converting times from 2-miles to 3200m for the Hammond High boys, we have:

8:47.6 Chapa

8:49.4 Keogh

8:52.8 Pinkowski

That's an average time of 8:49.9

Newbury Park's average is 8:49.7

There's a big difference. The Hammond boys of 1975 each ran 120 miles a week all that season. They were insane. A total anomaly. No one else on their team even broke 10 min. Newbury Park boys do not train at that level.

And why are we counting Nico as only 8:40?! Nico has run 8:32 for 3200m! Hello......7:56 for 3k?

Track and Field News used to have a "Where are they going" section each year, and after the '75 season, they had a 4th 2-Miler from Hammond listed as having run 9:09.

OldNECoach wrote:

Here's an article about their record. It was '75.

I guess you're talking about the three guys under 9:00 season. Among us older posters it common knowledge that the three guys under 9:00 was Chapa's junior year and the 28:32 was as a senior.

Kev2 wrote:

I believe that partly because coach Bill Dillinger was comparing Chapa t o Alberto Salazar. Chapa had considerably more raw leg speed. Obviously mid 28 shows a lot of strength too so sub 8:40 would have been very plausible.

What do you mean with your Dellinger comment? Of course, Chapa had better middle distance speed and you didn't need to be Dellinger to figure that out.

Until June 18, that is, when three kids from Long Island, N.Y. — seniors Jack McGowan (8:57.81), twin brother Tim (8:56.60) and junior Mike Brannigan (8:53.59) —

Three in the same race from the same school is something that has never been done!

What did these young men go on to do in running after high school? What was there H.S .training like?

xcj squared wrote:

Until June 18, that is, when three kids from Long Island, N.Y. — seniors Jack McGowan (8:57.81), twin brother Tim (8:56.60) and junior Mike Brannigan (8:53.59) —

Three in the same race from the same school is something that has never been done!

What did these young men go on to do in running after high school? What was there H.S .training like?

But that's sort of cheating. Identical twins comprise 2 of those NY 3. Imagine if Rudy Chapa had a twin who ran with him? haha

MillardPie wrote:

xcj squared wrote:

Until June 18, that is, when three kids from Long Island, N.Y. — seniors Jack McGowan (8:57.81), twin brother Tim (8:56.60) and junior Mike Brannigan (8:53.59) —

Three in the same race from the same school is something that has never been done!

What did these young men go on to do in running after high school? What was there H.S .training like?

But that's sort of cheating. Identical twins comprise 2 of those NY 3. Imagine if Rudy Chapa had a twin who ran with him? haha

Speaking of twins, this just happened.

Consider NXN a wrap for the next three years. There is nobody in the nation that has even close to that kind of talent. There are five frosh on that team that will all be under 9:00 next year as sophomores.

Not sure how it happened, but I just checked Athletic.net and they will have nine boys returning on that team who all ran club track prior to Newbury Park and ran faster than 5:00 for 1600 (or equivalent 1500) in 8th grade. In fact six of them ran faster than 4:50! Amazing!

The combination of that kind of talent, along with the workouts I've seen posted from Newbury Park, there is no chance they lose NXN over the next three years. That's not a bold claim. I mean NO chance they lose.

In 3 years, we'll probably be seeing one of the most dominant team wins in NXN in history.

Mile and 3 mile times for some of Newbury Park's freshmen:

Leo Young: 4:16, 14:58

Aaron Sahlman: 4:17, 15:36

Lex Young: 4:21, 14:37

Hector Martinez (transferred during the track season): 15:32

Aaron Cantu: 15:49