Watching practice wrote:
8:44 was in practice. Many teams have had 3 guys go faster in paced time trials in practice. They actually only have 1 guy sub 9. And besides that, Nico was shooting for 8:29 but ended up dropping out rather than get beat by his teammate.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
That's ridiculous. If you believe every HS should have a couple low 9:00 guys every year, it's obvious you never ran XC or track while you were in school.
Ok I should have said large/medium HS. None of tose 200 people high schools schools with 5 kids who run XC:). Seriously why do you think the same schools consistently crank out fast 2 milers year after year? It is because the coaches do a much better job of having those kids maximize their talent. People complain all the time that those kids don't improve as much later in life. Of course. If you are running at 95% of your max, you aren't going to improve as much as the person who is only running at 90%.
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
It's also possible that parents moving to L.A. with talented kids for running, choose Temecula or Newbury Park. Jesuit HS in Sacramento benefits from being a private school. The Mastalirs and Strangio live(d) over 20 miles from Jesuit.
It is genetics. Good schools get rich, smart, fast kids. They have better gene pools. Kids move there and transfer.
leigh steinberg wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
That's ridiculous. If you believe every HS should have a couple low 9:00 guys every year, it's obvious you never ran XC or track while you were in school.
Ok I should have said large/medium HS. None of tose 200 people high schools schools with 5 kids who run XC:). Seriously why do you think the same schools consistently crank out fast 2 milers year after year? It is because the coaches do a much better job of having those kids maximize their talent. People complain all the time that those kids don't improve as much later in life. Of course. If you are running at 95% of your max, you aren't going to improve as much as the person who is only running at 90%.
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
It's also possible that parents moving to L.A. with talented kids for running, choose Temecula or Newbury Park. Jesuit HS in Sacramento benefits from being a private school. The Mastalirs and Strangio live(d) over 20 miles from Jesuit.
Already happening. The Young family and the Sahlman family both live outside of the Newbury Park boundary. Hailey Golmon is a transfer, Aaron Cantu came from outside the boundary and Matthew Siroky moved to the area from NV.
Probably doesn’t hurt that Newbury is a really good school and the home school of the Youngs and Shalmans is pretty crappy.
Parents will find the best situation for their kids and make it happen.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
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dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
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I am betting pretty much every coach who has had a sub 9 guy, has trained a 10min guy to run 9:00. Very few kids run sub 10 in their first race.:) If you are a 4:30/10:00 guy running 30 mpw for 4 months of the year (see guys like Brian Sell), then a coach getting you to run 70mpw for 12 months of the year is going to turn you into a close to 9:00 guy. Some people will not respond and some will be super responders.
Sub 9 guys were running 9:20 as sophomores. Talent always beats training.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
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I am betting pretty much every coach who has had a sub 9 guy, has trained a 10min guy to run 9:00. Very few kids run sub 10 in their first race.:) If you are a 4:30/10:00 guy running 30 mpw for 4 months of the year (see guys like Brian Sell), then a coach getting you to run 70mpw for 12 months of the year is going to turn you into a close to 9:00 guy. Some people will not respond and some will be super responders.
Brofessor wrote:
Super interesting debate. What about guys like Jager who ran 30s mpw and 8:47/4:05 double and FL All-American as a Junior?
I think talent really stratifies most of these guys. No one is training their way in front of Jager very long without Olympian talent.
Does every 1500-student district have more than 1 sub-9 talent? I think no, except it is close. 9:20 I would agree. Maybe a little lower.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
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I am betting pretty much every coach who has had a sub 9 guy, has trained a 10min guy to run 9:00. Very few kids run sub 10 in their first race.:) If you are a 4:30/10:00 guy running 30 mpw for 4 months of the year (see guys like Brian Sell), then a coach getting you to run 70mpw for 12 months of the year is going to turn you into a close to 9:00 guy. Some people will not respond and some will be super responders.
When I say 10-minute guy, I mean someone with 10-minute talent. Guys that can run 9:00 are blessed with strength and good top-end speed and 90% of the time, it doesn't matter what HS they attend. German Fernandez would have accomplished the same things at most of the HSs in the Sac area.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Coaches cannot train a 10:00 runner to run 9:00. All they can do is to be good at motivating the kids who ran fast times in P.E. at the feeder middle schools.
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I am betting pretty much every coach who has had a sub 9 guy, has trained a 10min guy to run 9:00. Very few kids run sub 10 in their first race.:) If you are a 4:30/10:00 guy running 30 mpw for 4 months of the year (see guys like Brian Sell), then a coach getting you to run 70mpw for 12 months of the year is going to turn you into a close to 9:00 guy. Some people will not respond and some will be super responders.
When I say 10-minute guy, I mean someone with 10-minute talent. Guys that can run 9:00 are blessed with strength and good top-end speed and 90% of the time, it doesn't matter what HS they attend. German Fernandez would have accomplished the same things at most of the HSs in the Sac area.
When I say a 10 min guy, I mean a guy that has run 10 mins. I. have no way of figuring out what the imaginary times a person would have run if they maxed out their potential. And it should be pointed out that we are talking about 1% talent level here. We aren't talking about average people.
Nicholas Goldstein ran 4:41 for 1600 in 8th grade. Colin Sahlman ran 4:48 for 1600 and 55 for 400 in 8th grade. I have no idea if they were training hard back then, but that is talent. I’m sure they are training hard now, but they are starting with a very strong base of talent.
How is the Newbury Park coach able to continue coaching during a no contact period? I don't think he is even allowed to be there cheering for the kids.
Northport has had 3 guys break 9 in the same race but our number 2 guy was no wear near 8:44
Since the CIF championships are cancelled all schools are in summertime rules right now according to CIF's press release in early April. This means the HS kids can run for a club, summer style training, etc. Not to mention all seniors in 12th grade right now are done with their CIF eligibility since the season got cancelled. They are not under any CIF rules that stop them for doing a time trail , an unattached race. or having their own private coach. (SOUTHERN SECTION UPDATE – 4/8/2020). They technically can be coached by who and when they want.
The only thing stoping them would be if this was their registered CIF dead period. Since most southern sections school are still in session I would guess Mira Costa and Newbury Park are still in school.
A junior also ran. You are saying that California kids can be coached year round by their HS coach if they pay him while out of season? That is prohibited in most states. Most states are currently under orders for coaches to have no contact with athletes. I didn't realize that CA was so much more lenient.
Watching practice wrote:
A junior also ran. You are saying that California kids can be coached year round by their HS coach if they pay him while out of season? That is prohibited in most states. Most states are currently under orders for coaches to have no contact with athletes. I didn't realize that CA was so much more lenient.
Another way around things are in New York you can't have summer practice unless it's though a club. That is why most all HS in NY have "Club summer practice"
It might have been more like '78. That was the year Chapa ran 28 and change for the 10,000 m which is still the scholastic record. I though LaSalle Academy in RI had similar depth more recently
There was a DIII school near Chicago called North Central College who had many athletes running strong D I times. The coach claimed he could take people who never run sub 10 and eventually turn them into sub 9 by the end of their collegiate careers so hard work and mileage may make it possible
