Watching practice wrote:
8:44 was in practice. Many teams have had 3 guys go faster in paced time trials in practice. They actually only have 1 guy sub 9. And besides that, Nico was shooting for 8:29 but ended up dropping out rather than get beat by his teammate.
Fastest average time (8:49) for a top three it seems. And you have to imagine they could've gotten the 9:05 guy under in a big race.
Nico will probably still get a shot to run a 2-mile or 5k against pros this summer. He will need to go through 3,200 in his PR, 8:40, to break Rupp's record. I don't think he will run under 13:37, but he could be close.
They also had a sophomore run 8:34 in Feb at an open meet. In that race he was ahead on their 9:05 guy..
Show me a 440m track and I'd agree.
Was it real? We have all known teams who have a bunch of guys post times well under their real PRs. When you guys see the video, you will reconsider.
Watching practice wrote:
Was it real? We have all known teams who have a bunch of guys post times well under their real PRs. When you guys see the video, you will reconsider.
Please Stop wrote:
Show me a 440m track and I'd agree.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
The Competition Is Internal wrote:
Watching practice wrote:
No it isn't. 8:44 is not real and times are not all from same year. Many teams could cobble together a better 3 than this if there are no rules.
GTFO already. 8:44 isn't real? He ran it with FAT on a track.
Newbury Park had 4 guys that were absolute locks to break 9:00 this season. Goldstein would be their 4th fastest, as he doesn't have the wheels that C. Sahlman does. They also had 3 other guys with outside shots of breaking 9:00 this season.
Jace likely would have run around 8:35-8:40, conservatively, had he the opportunity to run in the invitational section of the 3200 at Arcadia this year. There is a high probability he goes on to become an All-American in XC at least once at CU.
I think you are underestimating how fast a sub 8:40 race is. We see a lot of a 8:40s high. Not many people running sub 8:40. But it isn't like an 8:44 3200 isn't blistering. You would expect times like that to really good ( sub 13:50/28:40 at least) marks in college.
And as much as people give coaches crap about overtraining in HS and the like, the reality is that every high school should be pumping out a couple low 9:00 guys/year. That is the talent level that exists in the US. Who knows how many 8:40 guys never run track or if they do never train.
There used to be years where nobody broke 9. I don't know what could be done differently to get more high school kids to run faster. 90% of high schools have nobody breaking 10 and most states have nobody breaking 9. There is no way that an average high school of 400 students has a 9 minute 2 miler attending, EVER.
xcj squared wrote:
8:40
8:44
9:05
That has to be be a record?
Watching practice wrote:
There used to be years where nobody broke 9. I don't know what could be done differently to get more high school kids to run faster. 90% of high schools have nobody breaking 10 and most states have nobody breaking 9. There is no way that an average high school of 400 students has a 9 minute 2 miler attending, EVER.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
400 students? I would guess the average school size is around 1500.
Watching practice wrote:
No it isn't. 8:44 is not real and times are not all from same year. Many teams could cobble together a better 3 than this if there are no rules.
I looked at several websites. Looks like 15 million HS students and 36,000 schools so the average school size is 400! I honestly just estimated when I first listed it.
GBohannon wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
400 students? I would guess the average school size is around 1500.
I would guess that your guess is way off. For instance, in Michigan the median school size is below 500 (it’s right around 475). I do understand that the average is a bit different than the median, but probably not by a factor of 3x.
A quick glance at enrollment figures for the 608 schools that offer XC shows only 50-60 schools (less than 10%) with enrollments as high as 1500.
Any data to support your seemingly audacious estimate? I am open to the idea that you could be right. It would shock me though. I would guess more like 500-600 for the national average. Maybe even a little less.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
That's ridiculous. If you believe every HS should have a couple low 9:00 guys every year, it's obvious you never ran XC or track while you were in school.
Those are public schools. There are 10,000 private schools in the US, many of which perform well in XC.
Watching practice wrote:
There used to be years where nobody broke 9. I don't know what could be done differently to get more high school kids to run faster. 90% of high schools have nobody breaking 10 and most states have nobody breaking 9. There is no way that an average high school of 400 students has a 9 minute 2 miler attending, EVER.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
That's ridiculous. If you believe every HS should have a couple low 9:00 guys every year, it's obvious you never ran XC or track while you were in school.
Ok I should have said large/medium HS. None of tose 200 people high schools schools with 5 kids who run XC:). Seriously why do you think the same schools consistently crank out fast 2 milers year after year? It is because the coaches do a much better job of having those kids maximize their talent. People complain all the time that those kids don't improve as much later in life. Of course. If you are running at 95% of your max, you aren't going to improve as much as the person who is only running at 90%.
The guy who ran was their 4th guy all XC season. Their 3rd man, a sophomore, would easily have broken 9 this season
