8:40
8:44
9:05
That has to be be a record?
8:40
8:44
9:05
That has to be be a record?
I saw that Nico paced Jace for most of his 8:44. I'd love to see what Nico is capable of now considering we are a year off of his Arcadia performance against Sprout. My god.
stephen56 wrote:
I saw that Nico paced Jace for most of his 8:44. I'd love to see what Nico is capable of now considering we are a year off of his Arcadia performance against Sprout. My god.
Didn't Nico finish 15 to 20 seconds ahead of Jace in most of their xc races in 2019? It's a shame we didn't see what he could do in an all-out 3200. The same for the top girls.
I do know that Hammond High School in Indiana had three guys sub 9:00 in the two mile back in 1975 or 1976.
It was during his high school years that he (Rudy Chapa) formed part of a trio of runners from his school that all broke 9:00 minutes in the two-mile run, which he, Carey Pinkowski, and Tim Keough did in 1975. This feat has only been repeated by the boys of Northport high school of New York where 3 boys each broke 9 minutes for the 2-mile run in the same race at the New Balance outdoor national meet, although 2 of its 3 runners were twin brothers.
blonkers wrote:
stephen56 wrote:
I saw that Nico paced Jace for most of his 8:44. I'd love to see what Nico is capable of now considering we are a year off of his Arcadia performance against Sprout. My god.
Didn't Nico finish 15 to 20 seconds ahead of Jace in most of their xc races in 2019? It's a shame we didn't see what he could do in an all-out 3200. The same for the top girls.
We kind of did. I doubt he beats his 7:56 (~8:28 3200) in a HS only race. Maybe at Pre he would challenge the 2-mile record.
I guess he is aiming for a 5000? I think 13:40s in the best race. McMillan equates 13:40 to 7:46/8:21 and 13:45 to 7:49/8:24. I know endurance guys skew these a little. I cannot think by more than 10 seconds, giving Nico low 13:30s at best (7:41-7:44. 13:25 would mean, most generously converting 3k times, he gained more than 10 seconds on his 7:56 from February in 1 season, a few months. No.)
I'm guessing top three average time
8:44 was in practice. Many teams have had 3 guys go faster in paced time trials in practice. They actually only have 1 guy sub 9. And besides that, Nico was shooting for 8:29 but ended up dropping out rather than get beat by his teammate.
No, it's not a record. In the 1970s, three guys went sub-9 on the same team. One of them was the Chicago Marathon director Carey Pinkowski.
Maybe
Jesuit (CA) in 86 was close..
Eric and Marc Mastalir were at 844/851 and Paul Thomas was at 902 as a junior. He went mid 850's the following season..
La Salle had Matt Bouthillette(8:51.2), DJ Principe (8:51.4), and Jack Salisbury(8:57.7) all run those times at the 2016 Loucks Games. Jack had run slightly faster the year before, Matt would run slightly faster later on at Brooks PR, and DJ ran 8:47 for indoor 2 mile the next year. Not sure how Hammonds Times compare to those.
As a reminder, Newbury Park has only 1 guy under 9. Hundreds of teams have had 2 and a few have had 3.
xcj squared wrote:
8:40
8:44
9:05
That has to be be a record?
Loudoun Valley, even with all their transfer students, is nowhere close to Newbury Park
rojo wrote:
No, it's not a record. In the 1970s, three guys went sub-9 on the same team. One of them was the Chicago Marathon director Carey Pinkowski.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3653582
Everybody knows about this. I think the OP was referring to cumulative time (8:40 + 8:44 + 9:05). Yes, this is the record by far.
No it isn't. 8:44 is not real and times are not all from same year. Many teams could cobble together a better 3 than this if there are no rules.
Watching practice wrote:
No it isn't. 8:44 is not real and times are not all from same year. Many teams could cobble together a better 3 than this if there are no rules.
GTFO already. 8:44 isn't real? He ran it with FAT on a track.
Newbury Park had 4 guys that were absolute locks to break 9:00 this season. Goldstein would be their 4th fastest, as he doesn't have the wheels that C. Sahlman does. They also had 3 other guys with outside shots of breaking 9:00 this season.
Jace likely would have run around 8:35-8:40, conservatively, had he the opportunity to run in the invitational section of the 3200 at Arcadia this year. There is a high probability he goes on to become an All-American in XC at least once at CU.
The Competition Is Internal wrote:
Watching practice wrote:
No it isn't. 8:44 is not real and times are not all from same year. Many teams could cobble together a better 3 than this if there are no rules.
GTFO already. 8:44 isn't real? He ran it with FAT on a track.
Newbury Park had 4 guys that were absolute locks to break 9:00 this season. Goldstein would be their 4th fastest, as he doesn't have the wheels that C. Sahlman does. They also had 3 other guys with outside shots of breaking 9:00 this season.
Jace likely would have run around 8:35-8:40, conservatively, had he the opportunity to run in the invitational section of the 3200 at Arcadia this year. There is a high probability he goes on to become an All-American in XC at least once at CU.
I think you are underestimating how fast a sub 8:40 race is. We see a lot of a 8:40s high. Not many people running sub 8:40. But it isn't like an 8:44 3200 isn't blistering. You would expect times like that to really good ( sub 13:50/28:40 at least) marks in college.
And as much as people give coaches crap about overtraining in HS and the like, the reality is that every high school should be pumping out a couple low 9:00 guys/year. That is the talent level that exists in the US. Who knows how many 8:40 guys never run track or if they do never train.
His stride reminds me of Salazar's. Maybe his future is in the marathon.
While many people have mentioned the teams of the past that have had multiple sub 9 guys, I think Newbury Park is unique in that both Nico and Jace are well under 9 (with many believing that Nico could threaten Verzbicas' 2 mile record) and this puts them far ahead of the historical sub 9 trios. Also worth mentioning that Newbury Park also has two freshman who were running out of their minds this XC season who I haven't seen results for but could potentially be running low or sub 9s as well.
If it's not 2 miles it doesn't count.