HSer Jace Aschbrenner runs 8:44.93 for 3,200 in time trial

Same. I remember underdog schools posted low 15 'time trial' results from the beginning of the season, and none of them came close to beating us in the races, even finishing with 16:xx winning times.

I’m surprised at how many people hating on runners doing time trials when there no races to run. I could see if they decided to skip a season to run time trials, but they decided to make lemonade after being dealt lemons, and the lemonade was a amazing.

In any case, Nico is still 17. Turns 18 in July.

What’s the problem with a time trial in place of a race if not races are to be found? It’s not like anything official is going on. Seems like good moves on the kids and coaches part for organizing such activities. What kid doesn’t want to run a fast time?

Right... except you guys are talking about unofficial time trials during pre-season. Likely on a dirt path/loop. And your coaches probably cut it short to give you confidence.

These guys are being recorded on a track during a pandemic. Some with FAT timing.

Not even close to comparable. But I guess it’s always fun to downgrade a teenagers performance in an anonymous message board. Probably makes you feel big ?

Jeff Atkinson was there with a love feed and posted a live feed during and said they have a more professional video coming out sometime today

It’s amazing how many guys seem to run really fast when they have a stud teammate, though it’s a shame that they get overshadowed for all of high school. I can get think of two such cases from 2017 where there was a “big 3” all from the same school.

First is American Fork (UT) with Clinger, Parker and Johns. All 3 were 4:06 or faster in the mile and 9:04 or faster in the 3200 (2 of them well below 9).

The other one is the class of 2017 Southlake Carroll (TX) squad. Led by Reed Brown, they had 3 guys all 9:06 or faster in the 3200.

Interestingly enough, both of these teams were lead by a national champion from cross season with Clinger (NXN) and Brown (Footlocker). Why do you think this happens? Is it from excellent coaching or do guys “stick and hold” onto their elite teammate?

Combination of everything. Coach and environment.

Top coaches bring a lot of guys along and they all feed off each other because they have people to train together. They get a bunch of guys between 8:40 and 9:20. Bad and mediocre coaches get a few guys around 10:30-11 or worse, maybe the occasional stellar athlete from soccer who runs 9:30s, or more likely sub 4:20 but no quick 2M.

Well, that would all be valid if this were a normal season but guess what? There are no races. People on here were criticizing Nico for not running time trials, now they are criticizing his teammates for running one. There is no pleasing everyone.

macdaddy wrote:

Brofessor wrote:

[quote]interesting.... wrote:

....just run your time trial, keep the results to yourself, and then show up for the race when it happens.....

Right... except you guys are talking about unofficial time trials during pre-season. Likely on a dirt path/loop. And your coaches probably cut it short to give you confidence.

These guys are being recorded on a track during a pandemic. Some with FAT timing.

Not even close to comparable. But I guess it’s always fun to downgrade a teenagers performance in an anonymous message board. Probably makes you feel big ?

I love it “unofficial time trial” which I guess is opposed to those “official time trials” - the oxymoron that is now the gold standard above actual sanctioned races.

I got nothing against a time trial but when you have to post all them all to Instagram for TT glory that is being an Uncle Rico throwing a pigskin a quarter mile.

Seriously these kinds of stunts ruin the sport, there is good reason why USATF has clear rules about what constitutes a legal mark. It also why World Athletics is attempting to promote more racing in bigger meets instead of just looking at one contrived PR, and then using that PR for a year or two worth of glory instead of actually showing up at meets.

I mean even on let’s run we have people saying “oh let’s get rid of NCAA regionals” and just use straight PR times instead for National outdoor qualifying. What kind of twisted mind prefers the best performances hidden away and not promoting head to head duels.

Last time I checked there are no races and it’s awesome these kids and others are doing what they can to have races. What you say makes no sense because you’re talking about USATF guidelines for what? There are no races so they are creating their own and doing a dang good job.

No one is talking about head to head duels here. We are talking about some great kids putting together one last fun effort before they go off to college.

Amazing job to Jace, Billy, Nick and don’t forget about Leo and the boys for going after it last night in the mile.

Unofficial time trials are what most of these are. The mile last might was an official race. Karsissa Schweizer's 3000 record was an official time trial. Bowerman is good at setting up official time trials. High school runners seem content to run unofficial time trials.

My question remains. Why are high schoolers across the country not getting small races together and following the basic rules to get them sacntioned?

coach of coach wrote:

Unofficial time trials are what most of these are. The mile last might was an official race. Karsissa Schweizer's 3000 record was an official time trial. Bowerman is good at setting up official time trials. High school runners seem content to run unofficial time trials.

My question remains. Why are high schoolers across the country not getting small races together and following the basic rules to get them sacntioned?

Lasts night mile was not sanctioned. It was recognized my track & field news, but NFHS nor any state associations would recognize the marks. it’s not so easy to get things sanctioned.

So they did the next best thing FAT timing and video. Most likely will be a mark for athletic.net just like HS duel meets. Just can’t have any official records like state or national.

Yes, sanctioned. The defintion is "to be made valid". T&F News will recognize it. It will be a valid mark. I did not say that his state will sanction it but I don't know. NFHS will not but so what My? My state's association counts post season meets in the records. Next you will tell me that 3:53 is not the high school record in your mind.

coach of coach wrote:

Yes, sanctioned. The defintion is "to be made valid". T&F News will recognize it. It will be a valid mark. I did not say that his state will sanction it but I don't know. NFHS will not but so what My? My state's association counts post season meets in the records. Next you will tell me that 3:53 is not the high school record in your mind.

I’m the one saying it should count!!! I’m a fan of what the mile and this 3200m did. Both had FAT timing, starter , video and people watching. Amazing they got this together in northern ca and southern ca.

We are on the same side with this one.

Sorry you are either a troll or an dufus. There are no races to run, Time trials are it, and who wouldnt' want to get a fast race effort in during a busted season.

These stunts ruin the sport? There is no sport right now you dillweed.

Which 3200 had an official?

Sick. What is the equivalent of sub 4 in the mile for high school boys?

8:40.