57 COVID deaths in GA today: Post-opening spike starting?

hey look, it's the least expert of all the least experts. wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

dude, shut up.

tens of thousands more Americans are dying than normal......you have an explanation for that?

1. Do you have a source for that?

2. The rise in unemployment, food shortages, drub abuse, depression, etc. due to the lockdown had killed how man y people?

1. why bother?

In other words you have no source for your assertion.

Come on. You must have some reason for claiming tens of thousands of American are "dying more than normal"? No? Just what the media has told you?

Giles Corey wrote:

hey look, it's the least expert of all the least experts. wrote:

1. Do you have a source for that?

2. The rise in unemployment, food shortages, drub abuse, depression, etc. due to the lockdown had killed how man y people?

1. why bother?

In other words you have no source for your assertion.

Come on. You must have some reason for claiming tens of thousands of American are "dying more than normal"? No? Just what the media has told you?

stop pretending you want to participate in an informed discussion.

Precious Roy wrote:

Recent data out of Georgia is not good, but it is too early to know whether the current numbers out of Georgia are the result of reopening or are people who contracted COVID 19 during lockdown. It can be 4-6 weeks from the date of infection to death. People spend weeks on ventilators before doctors give up and take people off life support to die. We will not be able to draw solid conclusions about Georgia's reopening until mid-June.

why i reported new infections and not deaths. that can still have a 1-2 week delay, but we're way too far behind on reported deaths for those to be clearly impacted by open vs. closed.

armchair expert wrote:

asymptomatic: not symptoms, but able to 'shed' the virus. aka, still contagious.

immune: not infected, not contagious.

i should note: i have found no reliable demonstration that infection leads to long term immunity with covid-19. you can get the flu more than once, you can't get chickenpox more than once. 'herd immunity' assumes it's not mutating subtly enough to get past the antibodies created during first infection, OR that the body keeps producing the required antibodies for a long timwe after infection (not always the case).

Alert the press, this guy hasn’t found a reliable demonstration for long term immunity,...have you found any that doesn’t?

The golden rule of immunology is if you are infected with a virus, get sick, and recover, you PROBABLY won’t get reinfected with the same virus.

In fact it is more likely than it isn’t that the people who are asymptomatic, and even the most mild cases, have had an immuno response to corona.

But your right let us keep assuming it does mutate subtly

Is it possible it could be like herpes? Could it lie dormant and flare up at a later time?

VA patients have a significant risk between age, chronic conditions and already horrible care access. Recall VA Arizona issue from several years back which created the Community Choice Care Program. VA Systems are not able to handle the usual everyday flow, add this pandemic mess and no wonder the numbers are what they are. Bottom line is this, VA or not; the health condition of the average 60 plus USA is deplorable at best. High Blood Pressure, Diabetic if not prediabetic, obesity (30+% of americans - conservatively) chronic lung issues from smoking; the list goes on and on. Unfortunately the two week lag in addressing this by an inept government has put us in this mess. Strain on hospital systems due to too many at once; not enough staffing; totally screwed up healthcare system, over reaction by politicians on both sides, Reacting two weeks earlier we'd be a near return to business as usual. Look at where the most cases and deaths occurred...senior living facilities and urban areas where those with greatest socioeconomic challenges, lack of health / wellness resources and poor quality of life. Herd immunity or whatever, the more the idiots in charge are mandating stay inside, stay at home will only contribute to a possible return of in fall or winter. When SARS occurred, Obama and admin jumped on this and within 2 weeks it was controlled.

Ciro wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

Wrong, I’m an actual conservative not a fan boi of a New York real estate, reality TV conman in bed with the Kushners.

Close to 100,000 Americans are dead inside a few short months and our Vets are dropping like flies.

Yet all I see is a bunch of Cosplaytriots moaning about haircuts while real men who served die in hospitals without any real support from the right wing in their hour of need.

Stay home like Trump did in Vietnam.

A good analysis of the situation, I think Liberalism in America has lost its way. It has mostly been conned. Good for you for seeing through it, unfortunately real liberal values have gone out the window, never to return. Damn, why couldn't lying Hillary pull of that landslide victory?

Fixed it for ya sir!

oric wrote:

Ciro wrote:

A good analysis of the situation, I think Liberalism in America has lost its way. It has mostly been conned. Good for you for seeing through it, unfortunately real liberal values have gone out the window, never to return. Damn, why couldn't lying Hillary pull of that landslide victory?

Fixed it for ya sir!

If you think supporting the Kushner and Trump families is conservatism, fine.

Fill your boots.

Doesn’t matter. Trump said there will be no second shutdown. We good to go guys!

PaulG wrote:

Governors rushed to confine everyone in low-risk groups, yet failed to protect nursing homes, the one group needing strict isolation and testing from day one. Due to that inexplicable error, nursing home residents constitute most of the deaths in many states and more than a third nationwide. The coming projection uptick is not a cause for fear or panic. It only reinforces the need for new policies targeted to specifically protect that clearly defined high-risk group.

I see the 1/3 of deaths nationwide in nursing homes mentioned back in the 5/9 article but lately I have been reading/hearing higher numbers. Recent articles have mention 50% or more death in Europe occurred at nursing homes. If the real numbers get reported in the USA I expect at least 50% to 75% of deaths will be from long term care facilities including nursing homes and assisted living facilities. I thought I heard Dr. Birx say 75% in today's press conference but it may have been another press conference this week.

From the below article:

New data released by the Ohio Department of Health says at least 1,247 patients of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities have died with coronavirus, representing about 70% of known COVID-19 deaths in the state.

Overall, the state reported Wednesday a total of 1,781 Ohioans are known to have died with coronavirus. Of these, 53% were at least 80 years old and another 25% in their 70s.

81% in Minnesota. (some article links removed so Letsrun would not flag posting as SPAM)

Problems reported at nursing homes:

Half of Illinois deaths are from nursing homes.

60% of deaths in Oregon.

Long-term care facilities represent over 60 percent of Washington's COVID-19 deaths

Let's not require reporting prior to May 6th now:

Let's not count all the cases:

From the below:

Deaths from the new coronavirus (COVID-19) have soared in U.S. nursing homes, a trend that some advocates say reflects society’s disdain for the elderly.

“The nursing homes have been ground zero for the coronavirus pandemic” said Jim Towey, founder and CEO of the group Aging with Dignity.

Towey warned of a “disturbing undercurrent” in the conversation about the high occurrence of COVID deaths among the elderly, one which downplays the numbers because of the age of the patients and their supposed proximity to death.

Drumroll wrote:

Herd immunity means many have to die and only the ones who can resist the virus get to survive. If USA goes down the path of herd immunity, expect 2 million deaths.

We better hope this virus does not mutate and start attacking kids. Thats why re-opening schools is gonna be a difficult decision.

We are hoping it mutates significantly as the likelihood is a mutation to a milder form and the end of this.

slripe111 wrote:

Real question:

Does anyone have update on the homeless, shouldn’t they be all but wiped out by now?

Yeah, this has bothered me as well. I live in Queens. I live adjacent to the 2nd (depending on the stats you want to consider) hardest hit zip code in NYC and the same half dozen or so old, decrepit bums who went around collecting bottles and cans from peoples' trash are still out and about doing it every Tuesday night before collection.

Bums have excellent immune systems. They're out in all conditions, eat suspect food, dirty, digging in trash, think about all the stuff they've been exposed to.

It's the soft, millennial office worker whose parents raised him in a protective, germ-free bubble that needs to be worried.

hey look, it's the least expert of all the least experts. wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

dude, shut up.

tens of thousands more Americans are dying than normal......you have an explanation for that?

1. Do you have a source for that?

1. why bother?

In other words you have no source for your assertion.

stop pretending you want to participate in an informed discussion.

Still no source I see.

Another 914 cases of coronavirus were reported Saturday by the Georgia Department of Public Health, bringing the total to 42,132 since the pandemic first showed up in the state in early March. As of midday Saturday, the report shows 1,811 deaths in the state -- and increase of 26 since Thursday.

So only 26 deaths in two days.

Yet we see this in the media: Georgia COVID-19 cases, deaths tick up over last week

Why should we care if there is an increase? As long as hospitals are not overwhelmed, we should continue to decrease distancing.

meloveulongtime wrote:Doesn’t matter. Trump said there will be no second shutdown. We good to go guys!

The states will decide if we are open or not, not Donald Trump.

Giles Corey wrote:

Another 914 cases of coronavirus were reported Saturday by the Georgia Department of Public Health, bringing the total to 42,132 since the pandemic first showed up in the state in early March. As of midday Saturday, the report shows 1,811 deaths in the state -- and increase of 26 since Thursday.

So only 26 deaths in two days.

Yet we see this in the media: Georgia COVID-19 cases, deaths tick up over last week

The Fake News media has to sow their misinformation in an effort to hurt Trump and mortally wound capitalism. And keep the sheep scared and confused so they are more easily controlled.

Democrats are getting desperate are more and more people are slowly waking up. Expect more lies and more attempts to control you.

Go away rainy day wrote:

Why should we care if there is an increase? As long as hospitals are not overwhelmed, we should continue to decrease distancing.

Most people don't want to be "processed" through COVID-19. If someone gets it bad enough get hospitalized, they have about a 17% chance of dying.

"Among 281 (92.1%) patients who were no longer hospitalized at the time of data abstraction, 48 (17.1%) died. Case fatality among patients aged 18–49 years, 50–64 years, and ≥65 years was 3.4%, 9.8%, and 35.6%, respectively (p<0.001)"